BSoD at various points after startup
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sabanknight
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Still one issue... plugging in a working hdd gives that second bsod message. Tried this pc's harddrive and gave the same one that I got while trying to install windows. Minidump attatched...
Only things I can think of that are not checked/confirmed are Powersupply, CPU, Mobo, and HDD
Only things I can think of that are not checked/confirmed are Powersupply, CPU, Mobo, and HDD
sabanknight
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REALLY hope its not the mobo. I can check cables again, and controlers?
Route44
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Sure, one thing about SATA cables is that they aren't well designed. They can pop out/became loose without much provocation. Recheck the connections to both motherboard and hd.
You can test the power supply with a multimeter. A Craftsman digital will run you $22 and it will do the job nicely. Or borrow one. Or if you have a friend who has one let him do it for you so you can see how it is done. It really isn't hard to do.
As for testing your CPU there are some good stress tests but I would defer this to someone else and probably in another forum here.
Edit: The following is from Microsoft on the 9C error -
* You are running the processor or mainboard beyond its specifications. For example, you are overclocking the processor or bus. We recommend that you run your hardware at the manufacturer-rated speeds.
* Noisy power, overstressed power strips, outmatched power supplies and failing power supplies can destabilize your computer. Make sure that you have a stable, reliable power supply to your computer.
* Extreme thermal conditions caused by the failure of cooling devices such as fans may damage your computer. Make sure that your cooling devices are all working.
* You have damaged memory or memory that is not the correct type for your computer. If you recently changed the memory configuration, revert to the previous configuration to determine what is wrong. Make sure that you are using the correct memory for your computer.
You can test the power supply with a multimeter. A Craftsman digital will run you $22 and it will do the job nicely. Or borrow one. Or if you have a friend who has one let him do it for you so you can see how it is done. It really isn't hard to do.
As for testing your CPU there are some good stress tests but I would defer this to someone else and probably in another forum here.
Edit: The following is from Microsoft on the 9C error -
* You are running the processor or mainboard beyond its specifications. For example, you are overclocking the processor or bus. We recommend that you run your hardware at the manufacturer-rated speeds.
* Noisy power, overstressed power strips, outmatched power supplies and failing power supplies can destabilize your computer. Make sure that you have a stable, reliable power supply to your computer.
* Extreme thermal conditions caused by the failure of cooling devices such as fans may damage your computer. Make sure that your cooling devices are all working.
* You have damaged memory or memory that is not the correct type for your computer. If you recently changed the memory configuration, revert to the previous configuration to determine what is wrong. Make sure that you are using the correct memory for your computer.
sabanknight
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I ment what are you refering to by controlers
Route44
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I need to hit the sack because it is past 1:00 a.m. here and I am tired.
Read this and see how your SATA drive is designated in your BIOS.
Advanced Host Controller Interface
As their standard interface, SATA controllers use the AHCI (Advanced Host Controller Interface), allowing advanced features of SATA such as hotplug and native command queuing (NCQ). If AHCI is not enabled by the motherboard and chipset, SATA controllers typically operate in "IDE emulation" mode which does not allow features of devices to be accessed if the ATA/IDE standard does not support them.
Windows device drivers that are labeled as SATA are often running in IDE emulation mode unless they explicitly state that they are AHCI mode {you want this mode} or in RAID mode. Modern versions of Microsoft Windows, FreeBSD, Linux with kernel version 2.6.19 onward,[5] as well as Solaris and OpenSolaris include support for AHCI, but older OSes such as Windows XP do not. Even in those instances a proprietary driver may have been created for a specific chipset, such as Intels.[6]
Read this and see how your SATA drive is designated in your BIOS.
Advanced Host Controller Interface
As their standard interface, SATA controllers use the AHCI (Advanced Host Controller Interface), allowing advanced features of SATA such as hotplug and native command queuing (NCQ). If AHCI is not enabled by the motherboard and chipset, SATA controllers typically operate in "IDE emulation" mode which does not allow features of devices to be accessed if the ATA/IDE standard does not support them.
Windows device drivers that are labeled as SATA are often running in IDE emulation mode unless they explicitly state that they are AHCI mode {you want this mode} or in RAID mode. Modern versions of Microsoft Windows, FreeBSD, Linux with kernel version 2.6.19 onward,[5] as well as Solaris and OpenSolaris include support for AHCI, but older OSes such as Windows XP do not. Even in those instances a proprietary driver may have been created for a specific chipset, such as Intels.[6]
sabanknight
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!%!^!$%@!%$#$@#$@#$@% Just found 3 blown capasitors nestled under the cpu fan and one that is physically burnt
Route44
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Oh man! That will do it. Can you RMA the motherboard?
sabanknight
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If you mean like a warenty this pc is 4-5 years old, was top of the line at the time, but at this point still uses ddr ram. (right around the time when ddr2 was around but not better yet -just had the potential-)
So guess its time for an upgrade, unfortunatly buying just a new mobo means new ram and cpu as well.
I use it for some decent quality gaming and I also am a videographer so I do editing on it as well, I am only in the technical loop when I gotta get off my butt and buy somthing so. What features should I be looking for? Mind you I cannot muster more than $300 or so but am not above scrounging on ebay.
Guess its also time to upgrade to 64 bit... been meaning to do this, but I hear so much about compatability issues and unresolved problems with the win7 64 bit platform. What would you all recomend.
So guess its time for an upgrade, unfortunatly buying just a new mobo means new ram and cpu as well.
I use it for some decent quality gaming and I also am a videographer so I do editing on it as well, I am only in the technical loop when I gotta get off my butt and buy somthing so. What features should I be looking for? Mind you I cannot muster more than $300 or so but am not above scrounging on ebay.
Guess its also time to upgrade to 64 bit... been meaning to do this, but I hear so much about compatability issues and unresolved problems with the win7 64 bit platform. What would you all recomend.
sabanknight
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Friend was generous enough to swap gpu's (he needed one for crossfire and didnt need this one which was comparitivly better than mine)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127469
was using a geforce 8 series with 256mb before
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127469
was using a geforce 8 series with 256mb before
Route44
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Good because that means we can get a decent motherboard running PCI-e. If it was an AGP card then we would have to be looking for either a) a used motherboard that handled AGP cards or b) a new motherboard that would run PCI-e and thus needing a new video card as well.
So it does look like you'll need a new cpu, RAM, and motherboard.
You'll be able to keep case, harddrive, and everything else.
Three more questions:
1. What was your old cpu?
3. As a videographer what did you need as way of cpu, i.e. L3 cache, cores, etc.?
4. What is the make and wattage of your power supply?
So it does look like you'll need a new cpu, RAM, and motherboard.
You'll be able to keep case, harddrive, and everything else.
Three more questions:
1. What was your old cpu?
3. As a videographer what did you need as way of cpu, i.e. L3 cache, cores, etc.?
4. What is the make and wattage of your power supply?
sabanknight
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Not looking at it right now becaue id have to physically look at it to get stats but amd x2 dual core (somewhere around 2.9-3.0 ghz)
hard to say, but the dual core was a noticable stepup from my old system and on this pc I think my front bus was holding me back a bit not too sure about caches or anything. Most of the stuff I run are ram gobblers but the cpu doesnt get away scott free
here are some system requirments for programs I use
http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/systemreqs/ (I use cs3 req are the same but doesnt NEED 64bit) Adobe after effects This is my biggest system eater media wise so if it runs others will follow (mainly during rendering also why ram is a big deal to me)
http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/reviews/15276.aspx Warhammer online
http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=342&game=Bioshock 2 bioshock2
http://www.digitalbattle.com/2009/01/06/warhammer-40000-dawn-of-war-ii-system-requirements/ Dawn of war 2
http://www4.shopping.com/xPO-Therma...-Series-420W-Power-Supply-Retail-Free-2nd-Day 420 watts thermaltake
hard to say, but the dual core was a noticable stepup from my old system and on this pc I think my front bus was holding me back a bit not too sure about caches or anything. Most of the stuff I run are ram gobblers but the cpu doesnt get away scott free
here are some system requirments for programs I use
http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/systemreqs/ (I use cs3 req are the same but doesnt NEED 64bit) Adobe after effects This is my biggest system eater media wise so if it runs others will follow (mainly during rendering also why ram is a big deal to me)
http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/reviews/15276.aspx Warhammer online
http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=342&game=Bioshock 2 bioshock2
http://www.digitalbattle.com/2009/01/06/warhammer-40000-dawn-of-war-ii-system-requirements/ Dawn of war 2
http://www4.shopping.com/xPO-Therma...-Series-420W-Power-Supply-Retail-Free-2nd-Day 420 watts thermaltake
Route44
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We might be able to do this for $300 because AMD has some tremendous bang for buck offerings right now especially in their latest AM3 cpus. Here is what we can do: Post under the General Hardware forum and make your subject title something like Urgent Upgrade Help Needed. The reason I am directing you there is because there are a lot of very knowlegeable people here who can give great upgrade advice.
You may be able to save even more with AM2 offerings in motherboard, cpu, and DDR2 RAM. Yes, it is older tech but you will see better performance.
In the post state the issue succinctly particularly your dead motherboard due to blown caps and tell them -- and this is absolutely essential -- a) your budget and b) what you need this rig to do. This will help them help you. I would also let them know that you don't need the newest or cutting edge, just solid reliability and it is essential it runs the software you already listed in this thread; and that your old system is from the DDR1 days.
Also, give what hardware you can salvage such as your video card, psu (make and model), etc.
You may be able to save even more with AM2 offerings in motherboard, cpu, and DDR2 RAM. Yes, it is older tech but you will see better performance.
In the post state the issue succinctly particularly your dead motherboard due to blown caps and tell them -- and this is absolutely essential -- a) your budget and b) what you need this rig to do. This will help them help you. I would also let them know that you don't need the newest or cutting edge, just solid reliability and it is essential it runs the software you already listed in this thread; and that your old system is from the DDR1 days.
Also, give what hardware you can salvage such as your video card, psu (make and model), etc.
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