shoot4thrill
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Rage what would you improve on that setup?
And what speakers/sound card would you recommend?
And what speakers/sound card would you recommend?
Building a Completely New Computer
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Rage_3K_Moiz
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Go with the Antec Nine Hundred if you can. The extra $30 or so brings a very large improvement in cooling performance. Otherwise, everything looks fantastic.
shoot4thrill
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I'd need only three of the 120mm fans for this case though right?
nosebleedXD
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so you live in us?
shoot4thrill
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Yes, I do. Also, what's the next best motherboard to the one posted above Rage? If it's not too much more $ I may go with that.
LinkedKube
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Anything better than that you're building a x58 setup, which cost more all together.
Rage_3K_Moiz
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Anything above the P5Q Pro is a waste of money TBH. It has all the features you'd need, and more expensive motherboards will only have other "luxury features" such as a CMOS reset button and backup BIOS chips, among others.
shoot4thrill
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PM sent Rage.
nosebleedXD
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yeah anything other than p5q i'd say is a waste too, p5q is already considered really good and for the price
just stick with it
just stick with it
shoot4thrill
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Rage I see your running 2 hard drives. What's the advantage to this? I am going to get more space on my HD than I previously stated but should I go w/the one listed x2 or should I get just one larger HD?
What brands/models do you guys recommend to get for the hard drive?
Previously you said in order to run 2 4780's I would need an X48 based motherboard to get the best results yet you suggest to stick with the P5Q?
How does the P45 chip in the P5Q compare to the X48 and X58? (The P5Q is just the model name the the P45 is the chip type correct?)
Can someone explain why you have to buy higher end parts with a higher end motherboard? Do they not support the lower parts? (talking about the X58 chips, etc...)
Any recommendations and explanations would be helpful.
What brands/models do you guys recommend to get for the hard drive?
Previously you said in order to run 2 4780's I would need an X48 based motherboard to get the best results yet you suggest to stick with the P5Q?
How does the P45 chip in the P5Q compare to the X48 and X58? (The P5Q is just the model name the the P45 is the chip type correct?)
Can someone explain why you have to buy higher end parts with a higher end motherboard? Do they not support the lower parts? (talking about the X58 chips, etc...)
Any recommendations and explanations would be helpful.
Rage_3K_Moiz
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At the time, I believed the HD 4870 required a lot of bandwidth. But obviously, that has now turned out to be untrue. There still is no card that can max out the bandwidth of PCI-E. The P45 chipset is missing some features compared to the more expensive chipsets, but these are non-essential features like Wi-Fi.
As for higher-end parts, it's basically a perception that higher prices mean better goods, and while that may be true in most cases, it isn't in the case of motherboards, where above a certain price point, there are no other necessary features required to build a decent PC. The X58 is a different story altogether, since it has a completely new architecture and CPU socket type.
For the HDDs, I run them in RAID 0, which is a striped array. It basically allows me to store data across both drives, so when data is needed from them, it is drawn in parallel, with some of it from one drive and some of it from the other. This obviously increases performance, but the downside is that you have only the space of one HDD, since the other one is used as the mirror. Also, if one of the drive fails, all your data is lost, so regular backups become a necessity.
You can either do that, or go for RAID 1, which basically mirrors one drive to the other, and constantly updates this "image" as the data on the source drive changes. This arrangement gives a speed boost, although not quite as significant as that in RAID 0. But in case of one disk failing, you can recover all the data from the other one.
As for brands, WD's Caviar Black and RE3 series are the best in the market right now.
As for higher-end parts, it's basically a perception that higher prices mean better goods, and while that may be true in most cases, it isn't in the case of motherboards, where above a certain price point, there are no other necessary features required to build a decent PC. The X58 is a different story altogether, since it has a completely new architecture and CPU socket type.
For the HDDs, I run them in RAID 0, which is a striped array. It basically allows me to store data across both drives, so when data is needed from them, it is drawn in parallel, with some of it from one drive and some of it from the other. This obviously increases performance, but the downside is that you have only the space of one HDD, since the other one is used as the mirror. Also, if one of the drive fails, all your data is lost, so regular backups become a necessity.
You can either do that, or go for RAID 1, which basically mirrors one drive to the other, and constantly updates this "image" as the data on the source drive changes. This arrangement gives a speed boost, although not quite as significant as that in RAID 0. But in case of one disk failing, you can recover all the data from the other one.
As for brands, WD's Caviar Black and RE3 series are the best in the market right now.
raids are a nice way to go. i built a system 3 years ago i still use today. i used 2*200Gb Maxtor drives in raid 0 and its never let me down. also used a WD Raptor 36.5Gb 10,000rpm drive as my master OS, and works a treat. system still boots up in about 40 secs. (i do love my machine, i even named it with affection)
to me, building a new machine i would use raid 5, which to my limited knowledge involves using 3 Hdd's but sacrificing one of them to backup. essentially, if you use 3 500Gb drives, you will only have approx 1Tb of storage, but if one drive fails you can replace it and restore full data integrity from the remaining two drives. (although, i've never had the need for such redundancy, as i mentioned above). better safe than sorry...?
to me, building a new machine i would use raid 5, which to my limited knowledge involves using 3 Hdd's but sacrificing one of them to backup. essentially, if you use 3 500Gb drives, you will only have approx 1Tb of storage, but if one drive fails you can replace it and restore full data integrity from the remaining two drives. (although, i've never had the need for such redundancy, as i mentioned above). better safe than sorry...?
shoot4thrill
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Can any two HDDs be set up in RAID 0?
Do they have to be the same? (not a problem but just curious)
Can they ever be changed to RAID 1 or 3 in the future?
Do they have to be the same? (not a problem but just curious)
Can they ever be changed to RAID 1 or 3 in the future?
nosebleedXD
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lawl quit thinking so big
LinkedKube
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i agree with this state as I just recented put a new pc together with a core i7 and all the bells. I do have a very noticeable increase in performance. But I run plenty of bench/stability programs.
Dont spend the money if you can think of something else you could buy for an additional 500 bucks that you may want. Like a downpayment on a car to walk away from the computer or something!
shoot4thrill
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Alright, I'll stop thinking so much...but I do NEED to know this. How many of the Scythe SlipStream 120mm fans do I need for the Antec 900 case?
Rage_3K_Moiz
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You need five fans, if you plan on maximum cooling. Since the SlipStream fans may be too loud, I also recommend the Yate Loon\Nexus Real Silent D12SL-12 and Scythe SFF21F as quieter alternatives. But the Kaze Jyuni moves far more air.
You just have to choose between a loud, fully-cooled and a silent, moderately-cooled system.
You just have to choose between a loud, fully-cooled and a silent, moderately-cooled system.
shoot4thrill
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With a little more research I've decided to make a radical change to my build.
Processor
Intel Core i7 Nehalem 2.66HGz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - $299.99
Hard Drive
Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500 GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0GB/s Hard Drive - $69.99
Motherboard
?
Memory
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $154.99
Intel stated that they were going to release a new x58 Core i7 motherboard with FTW in the name. I heard this would be a great performing motherboard and release dates were due in November. I have not seen it out though. Any news on this?
I have decided to just start off with one graphics card but I'm going to get a more powerful PSU. I will add a second card as time goes on. In the end I feel I will better benefit from the newer technology.
Processor
Intel Core i7 Nehalem 2.66HGz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - $299.99
Hard Drive
Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500 GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0GB/s Hard Drive - $69.99
Motherboard
?
Memory
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $154.99
Intel stated that they were going to release a new x58 Core i7 motherboard with FTW in the name. I heard this would be a great performing motherboard and release dates were due in November. I have not seen it out though. Any news on this?
I have decided to just start off with one graphics card but I'm going to get a more powerful PSU. I will add a second card as time goes on. In the end I feel I will better benefit from the newer technology.
Rage_3K_Moiz
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X58 motherboards are already out. The best one right now is the ASUS P6T Deluxe.
nosebleedXD
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from a core2duo to this ... lawl but good luck anyways bro
Okay...so.
1.Go with the Intel processor since they're currently better than AMD's. I recommend a Core Duo E8500 or 8600 or for the long run quad core Q8200 or Q9400.
2.For the motherboard maybe you should try something with a P45 chipset. Something not too expensive but good.
3.For the graphics card i would go with ATI with the 4850 toxic or 4870 (good price and perform really well. If you chose Nvidia go with the 9800gtx. Good thing about newer cards is that later on you can buy another one and connect it with your old one (SLI/Crossfire) but it has to be the same series card.
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For crossfire(ATI Cards) you only have to have a motherboard with 2 x16 PCIe ports)
For SLI (Nvidia Cards) the motherboard has to be SLI ready that means you can probably read SLI ready under motherboard specifications.
3. Don't buy used if you have money for new hardware.
4.I recommend a LCD screen since CRT's take too much space. And about the CRT's are "speedier" than LCD's is not important since its a matter of miliseconds and your eye can't really tell much difference. I recommend a 20 inch LCD something like Samsung.
5.For the case that's the part where you save money. You can buy a good case for little money and you can even take a used one lol. Buy something from chieftec or thermaltake or some other famous case brand.
6.Hard drive depends on what you're aiming for:
1) Store a lot of data(songs,movies,shows,etc.) buy a big hard drive 500-640GB. Buy a Seagate or Western Digital. Keep in mind that it has 7200rpm.
2) Fast access to data (gaming and so but also to store data) buy a Western Digital Raptor with 10000rpm.
7.Sound card: you can buy it or you don't have to xd. Most motherboards have a integrated sound card which is just enough for normal pc use.
8.Keyboard: i recommend something from logitech. Something that's not to expensive and suits you fine.
1.Go with the Intel processor since they're currently better than AMD's. I recommend a Core Duo E8500 or 8600 or for the long run quad core Q8200 or Q9400.
2.For the motherboard maybe you should try something with a P45 chipset. Something not too expensive but good.
3.For the graphics card i would go with ATI with the 4850 toxic or 4870 (good price and perform really well. If you chose Nvidia go with the 9800gtx. Good thing about newer cards is that later on you can buy another one and connect it with your old one (SLI/Crossfire) but it has to be the same series card.
[*]
For crossfire(ATI Cards) you only have to have a motherboard with 2 x16 PCIe ports)
For SLI (Nvidia Cards) the motherboard has to be SLI ready that means you can probably read SLI ready under motherboard specifications.
3. Don't buy used if you have money for new hardware.
4.I recommend a LCD screen since CRT's take too much space. And about the CRT's are "speedier" than LCD's is not important since its a matter of miliseconds and your eye can't really tell much difference. I recommend a 20 inch LCD something like Samsung.
5.For the case that's the part where you save money. You can buy a good case for little money and you can even take a used one lol. Buy something from chieftec or thermaltake or some other famous case brand.
6.Hard drive depends on what you're aiming for:
1) Store a lot of data(songs,movies,shows,etc.) buy a big hard drive 500-640GB. Buy a Seagate or Western Digital. Keep in mind that it has 7200rpm.
2) Fast access to data (gaming and so but also to store data) buy a Western Digital Raptor with 10000rpm.
7.Sound card: you can buy it or you don't have to xd. Most motherboards have a integrated sound card which is just enough for normal pc use.
8.Keyboard: i recommend something from logitech. Something that's not to expensive and suits you fine.
shoot4thrill
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Rage I know that the x58 motherboards are already out...Intel was supposed to be releasing a new FTW motherboard.
Does the 920 offer an improvement over gaming compared to an E8500?
Does the 920 offer an improvement over gaming compared to an E8500?
nosebleedXD
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well i heard the i7's are beast at oc'ing, i'd go for the i7 mainly cause 4 > 2 =]
and everyone complains core 2 quad sucks =[
for sure i7 is capable of doing what e8500 can do but better
and everyone complains core 2 quad sucks =[
for sure i7 is capable of doing what e8500 can do but better
Rage_3K_Moiz
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I believe you are referring to eVGA's FTW X58 motherboard, which is currently selling at ZipZoomFly for $300 or so. Go for it if you're considering SLI, otherwise the P6T is fine.
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