Building My First PC

By bigjoe5412
May 17, 2009
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  1. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    For $500-ish, try this build as an alternative to yours:
    Grand Total = $513.33 plus free shipping on most of the items.
  2. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,400   +832

    @ Rage; Newegg is not showing the Antec case withe the EA-430 in combo ATM. It's being offered with the Basiq 500 watt, @ the $94.94 price.
  3. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    That's odd cap, I still see the EA430 and EA380 being offered in combo, at $94.94 and $79.94 respectively.
  4. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,400   +832

    I forgot to click "see all", didn't I? :eek:
  5. Quantex_rox

    Quantex_rox Newcomer, in training Posts: 152


    Ignore that

    Unless its a antec Neopower, Trupower, or the new CPX power supply, don't use it. (those are the rebranded seasonic and delta's)
  6. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    Antec cases usually come with Neo or Earthwatts PSUs, both of which are great. I have not seen any current-gen Antec case+PSU combo that is a bad recommendation.
  7. Quantex_rox

    Quantex_rox Newcomer, in training Posts: 152

    Almost all of the antec cases with psu's come with Earthwatts, which are seasonic based, but lower end seasonics. They are not all that powerful on the 12V rails, and use OST secondaries are still use the old group regulated design.

    Neopowers are the same story. Low end Seasonics, but typically independently regulated.

    So they are sub-par, I would use them and they would work, but you wouldn't want to really work them 24/7.

    The basiq line is just a joke.
  8. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    They are not supposed to be powerful mate; they are budget PSUs. And OST are decent caps, on par with Teapo, which still see use in high-wattage (and pricier) Enhance units. They are not out of place on a lower-priced model.

    Not sure about the NeoPower line. I never personally recommend them that much, since there's usually a choice of better alternatives for the same price. I have owned two NeoHE PSUs though, and found them pretty good.

    The Basiq line is good for their price IMO. Not everyone can afford a $70 450VX you know, and the Basiq and Earthwatts series are much, much better than the trashy Rosewill and Apevia PSUs people tend to buy for their looks.
  9. Quantex_rox

    Quantex_rox Newcomer, in training Posts: 152

    I'm sorry, but comparing a rosewill to a apevia is wrong.

    ATNG Rosewill's are much better than young-year built apevias, and can actually hold their specs and last a while.

    IIRC, some of the Basiqs are made by ATNG.
  10. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    None of the Basiqs are made by ATNG; the UL numbers will confirm this. They are all FSP builds.

    And I still would not recommend either of the two PSUs, however "decent" they may be. Any differences between them are irrelevent; they do not change the fact that they are highly unreliable and that if you are going to use one, YMMV. That level of unreliability is extremely low for a PSU from a brand that's known to be reliable.
  11. Quantex_rox

    Quantex_rox Newcomer, in training Posts: 152

    Whoops, your right. It was FSP, I don't know why I thought it was ATNG.

    Anyways, rosewills are fine. They are just as or more reliable than the silverstone built antecs. They use all Teapo capacitors and have more than adequate cooling. They got just as good reviews as the Neopower and Earthwatts on Jonnyguru.

    http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=60

    "Overall the performance of the RX850D-B is pretty good. the voltages stay well within spec and the ripple is never out of spec or even moderately noisy except during the high 3.3V/5V crossload test. During that test this PSU shows us that it's not by any means designed for use in older systems but in all reality you're not going to buy an 850W gaming PSU for an old system... are you?"

    "These babies are hot! I haven't seen PSU's that look better regardless of price. The finish and fit are simply great and the sleeving is fantastic. Toss in the LED fans and you've got a very, very nice combination worthy of a 10."

    "Again, a wonder to behold, they don't get much better.
    Lots of power on tap, this is how a 750W quad rail needs to be appointed.
    Very well built
    Excellent value for the money"

    "I personally have the least amount of hesitation in recommending them for anyone building a high end gaming machine."

    Who am I going to believe, someone who says OST is as good as Teapo, or someone who is a electronics engineer and has tested many power supplies?
     
  12. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    Again, I did not recommend against high-wattage (650W+) Rosewill PSUs (maybe I should have been clearer about this earlier). They are decent-quality ATNG units. I was referring to the lower-end 350-500W units, most of which are crap YoungYear, Solytech and Wintech units, except for some good units like the RP500-2. These are the ones that sell most on Newegg, due to them being ridiculously cheap (pun intended). Probably due to the fact that Rosewill is Newegg's in-house brand.

    And FYI, I'm an electrical engineer as well, and have owned and built many computers with a plethora of different PSUs (and have taken the latter apart too). Of course, I don't know as much as Jon, but I do know how to distinguish bad caps from good ones at least.
  13. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,280   +23

    Again, I did not recommend against high-wattage (650W+) Rosewill PSUs (maybe I should have been clearer about this earlier). They are decent-quality ATNG units. I was referring to the lower-end 350-500W units, most of which are crap YoungYear, Solytech and Wintech units, except for some good units like the RP500-2. These are the ones that sell most on Newegg, due to them being ridiculously cheap (pun intended). Probably due to the fact that Rosewill is Newegg's in-house brand.

    And FYI, I'm an electrical engineer as well, and have owned and built many computers with a plethora of different PSUs (and have taken the latter apart too). Of course, I don't know as much as Jon, but I do know how to distinguish bad caps from good ones at least.
  14. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,400   +832

    I tend to equate the "Basiq" models with the line they superseded, Antec "Smart Power". Those supplies ran hot and cold with respect to quality, with the 450 Watt unit, being given the lowest star rating I have ever seen in a name brand unit. A 350 crapped out on me, but a 400 in a computer I gave my son still persists. Antec made good with a brand new EA-380 (for my 350), since at the time of the failure the "Smart Power was discontinued.

    It's sometimes hard to tell the difference between fact and hype in any field where marketing is involved. "Antec" makes some of the best PSUs, doesn't seem to be anywhere near the truth, As close as it could be truthfully stated would be, "Antec makes certain that other manufacturers make good supplies for them".

    As to Rosewill, a review I read said the one of their 630 watt PSUs was "over rated", since it only actually delivered 600 watts. One thing is certain is that I'm not an electronic engineer, so any observation I make must be a blend of superstition, observed facts, and intuition. That being said, it doesn't seen logical to me to completely disrecommend a 650 watt supply, because somebody stretched the truth a bit. In Poli-Sci, this is not even considered lying, it's a mild case of BS.

    So, if I needed a PSU of say 470 watts, and I got a great deal on the Rosewill 630 (or whatever the f*** it actually is) I still have at minimum 100 watts of "wiggle room", might it not make sense to go with the Rosewill, in lieu of perhaps an EA-430 which we would tend to say "well it's a little light, but it more than meets specs, so it should be all right". House brands aren't necessarily bad, should I buy a "Zenith" product (recognized brand),over an "Insignia" (Best Buy house brand), when the 2 items are identical, and both are manufactured by Funai, who nobody's heard of. Just trying to get people thinkin' here.
  15. Quantex_rox

    Quantex_rox Newcomer, in training Posts: 152


    Actually, they only have ATNG and Deer(solytech/allied/apex/supercase). The lowest watt ATNG Rosewill i've seen was a 350w. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182006) The highest watt Deer rosewill is 400w.

    Their value series 300w is ridiculous, though. My friend bought that, and it blew up in 2 weeks. We took it apart, and it was a chinese back-room special. Red primaries caps of unknown manufacture, Tcon secondary caps, ridiculous heatsinks, anemic transformers, and the good ol' 4 diode treatment, but they were all different sizes.

    So yes, the low end rosewills are crap, major crap, and I am in now way endorsing them AT ALL. I still have my 500w ATNG rosewill, and it is still very solid and visually bad caps and runs its rated voltages no problem (but I don't use it anymore)
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