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Buying Graphics Card... 8800 GTS?

By British_Command
Mar 14, 2007
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  1. CMH

    CMH TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,573   +9

    I just love people who screams out something, and have nothing to support their views.

    Fanboi.
  2. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,284   +24

    As for the video card, there are 256MB and 512MB of the X1950PRO available. Memory size in video cards only makes a difference in texture loading, where in games such as Oblivion and Company of Heroes, most of the textures will be loaded into the video card's memory instead of the RAM, making areas load faster. So you will only see around a 5% increase in performance with a 512MB card.
  3. British_Command

    British_Command TechSpot Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 224

    Thanks

    Thanks Rage and everyone else thats helped :D

    Cleared things up about how memory size on graphics cards affect it, thanks for that. And im currently satisfied with DELL, there computer have never let me down although Alienware maybe so much better DELL imo is still a fairly decent make. I cannot afford an alienware computer, and its my aprents who are buying the computer and they wouldnt buy all the different parts because they would doubt they i could put it together and they wouldnt trust me lol. And alienware is out of the budget.

    Thanks again, should be buying new computer in the next couple of months and will probably buy the ATI Radeon X1950 Pro 256/512MB depending on price.
  4. beef_jerky4104

    beef_jerky4104 Banned Posts: 1,094

    I vote an eVGA e-GeForce 7900 GS.
  5. CMH

    CMH TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,573   +9

    Reviews have showed the X1950Pro outperforms the 7900GS, although it is a pretty slight margin.

    Or I might be confusing myself with the 7600GS. Either way, I'm getting a computer within a week, and I'm getting the X1950Pro. I'm not just giving advice here, I'm actually following it.
  6. British_Command

    British_Command TechSpot Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 224

    Yeah

    According to some benchmarks, apparently there is a problem with the ATI x1950 pro, i think if its a dual cpu or something its better to buy 7900 GS SLI.

    If i bought the 8800GTS 320MB i would have to upgrade my PSU? and how would i do that? Wouldnt the PSU on the computer be good enough?

    The benchmarks for this card seem to be quite a bit better than the x1950 pro card, anyways anything about the PSU i can be enlightened on?

    Your probably all thinking make up your mind but this graphics card has to last a long while, and this card is a DX10 card (as you know), and although no DX10 games are available at the moment it will be useful when they're are.

    Thanks.
  7. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,284   +24

    The 8800GTS has the most powerful GPU out there today, the G80 from NVIDIA. It will blow away any card, barring its big brother the 8800GTX. And you would need a much heavier PSU upgrade for the 8800 series than you would need for the X1950PRO since it sucks more power and I doubt the PSU on ur current PC would be enough for either. The problem with the X1950PRO that you are talking about would be if you use two of them in Crossfire. ATi hasn't completely ironed out problems with Crossfire yet so there are performance issues with some games. But if you need something to play DX10 games as well, the 8800GTS is the way to go. Just make sure you get at least a 500W+ good-quality PSU to be in the safe zone. Good, reliable PSU makers include (but not limited to) Antec, FSP Fortron, Thermaltake, OCZ, CoolerMaster and Enermax.
  8. CMH

    CMH TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,573   +9

    DX10 games probably are overrated at the moment, DX9 hasn't even been used to its full potential yet. You'd be looking at at least a year before DX10 cards are really needed.

    But if you're set for the 8800gts, by all means, its a pretty good value for money card. If I had an extra 200 bux, I'd have put it there.

    But yes, you'd need another PSU or something to power that up.


    My personal take on Dual GPU systems: Not good value. Unless you're thinking on inserting one as an upgrade. Buying 2 to put in there brand new would not be cost effective. You get the show-off factor tho.
  9. British_Command

    British_Command TechSpot Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 224

    Yeah

    I looked at some benchmarks, and scanned through it overall looking like X1950 Pro was better compared to 7900GS SLI but apparently the X1950 has some problem with it be slow.

    I was going back to the 8800GTS 320MB gfx card, would i need a better PSU for this? i looked at benchmarks for this and its really good, if i do need a better PSU wouldnt it depend on the DELL computer i buy??? and would it cost a lot if i needed to???

    Thanks.
  10. CMH

    CMH TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,573   +9

    Well, as far as I know, Dell computers (not including their top end XPS line) generally ship with less than adequate PSUs. If you're talking about replacing your graphics card with something thats of similar power, sure, you can just pop it in without worrying a thing.

    But here, you're talking about the 2nd biggest graphics card out there at the moment. And unlike the biggest CPU range out there, these are pretty much power hogs where graphics cards are concerned. My bet would be that you'd need a new PSU to run an 8800GTS without problems. I'd sleep better too.

    A new PSU that'll perform pretty well sould set you back about 100-150 bux. Shouldn't need to look into anything above 600W. I'd recommend something at least 500W, but that might be cutting it abit low.

    I'm building a new comp, and I'll be getting myself an Antec TP3 650W, and I'm pretty sure that should cover an 8800gtx if I needed to upgrade.
  11. MetalX

    MetalX TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,909

    No because if you bought a mac, you would get one of the best operating systems in the world.

    But Dell or Alienware, they're both horrible. If I wanted to spend way too much on a PC I would at least get a Falcon Northwest.
     
  12. CMH

    CMH TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,573   +9

    I wouldn't say a MAC is the best operating system in the world, but something like this can be debated till the cows come home.

    About which company you're gonna buy from, I think all 3 (with Dell specifically just their XPS line) should be pretty good. Either way, you're spending alot more than what you get for your system, but you've already said that you're not allowed to build it yourself, which is a shame.
  13. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,284   +24

    Or maybe you can wait for the Commodore gaming PC to come along...;)
  14. HPCE_Larry

    HPCE_Larry Newcomer, in training Posts: 189

    dell bought alienware fyi...

    Anyway, You could look at the 8800gts with 320mb instead of 640mb of ram. The performance drop isn't that big and it gets you a really nice card for about
    $300.
  15. CMH

    CMH TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,573   +9

    Never had alienware in Australia, I just know its a pretty well known brand....

    Btw, does Dell even offer the 8800gts as an upgrade?
  16. British_Command

    British_Command TechSpot Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 224

    Hmm

    hmmm maybe the nvidia 7950 GX2? it out performed ATI's X1900 XTX which is better than ATI X1950 Pro i think, may of got a bit muddled up but i think so?
  17. CMH

    CMH TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,573   +9

    Don't think anyone has the 7950gx2 high on their list these days if they're upgrading. It was released more for the "cool" factor, and the possibility of quad gpu imo.

    Performance wise, they're quite alright, but I wouldn't see them as good value. In fact, if you're looking for good value, you'd be looking really at the X1950pro, 8800gts 320mb, or the 7900gs.
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  18. British_Command

    British_Command TechSpot Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 224

    Sorry

    Sorry that was bit stupid of me :p,
    Yeah i've read about the X1950 XTX is that any better than the Pro version?
  19. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,284   +24

    Yes the X1950XTX has faster memory and more pipes than the PRO version but I honestly think you should get the X1950XT instead of the X1950XTX, coz the performance difference is very, very small. I just saw that a 256MB X1950XT is equal in price to a 512MB X1950PRO on Newegg so you might consider it over that as well, since the X1950XT's four extra pipes will give a very large boost in performance in exchange for a smaller memory size, which will hardly impact performance, if at all. But keep in mind that the 8800GTS will trounce all of these so if you want maximum performance combined with maximum eye-candy, get that. BTW, what resolution are you looking to game at, and what monitor do you plan on gaming on? You might consider an LCD with at least a 5ms response time and at least 19" or more of screen space.
  20. HPCE_Larry

    HPCE_Larry Newcomer, in training Posts: 189

    I would highly recommend 1 8800gts over two of any less capable card. It does two things. First it provides are large amount of performance plus dx10 support already. Additionally, it gives you better upgrade options if you want to have more in the future.
  21. CMH

    CMH TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,573   +9

    I think we covered earlier in this thread about the benefits and pitfalls of upgrading to the 8800gts, so I'm not going to repeat it again.
  22. British_Command

    British_Command TechSpot Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 224

    Ok

    Ok CMH i will probably go for the x1950pro or x1950XT, the monitor will be around 19 - 22'' and will most definently be 8ms or faster, the 8800 GTS would require me to get a PSU upgrade which i could afford but im not now interested in having such an expensive graphics card right now. I'll compare the prices of the 1950 Pro and 1950 XT and maybe look at a few benchmarks if possible, and then buy one of the 2.

    Thanks for the Help (CMH and others),
    British_Command
  23. CMH

    CMH TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,573   +9

    no problem.
  24. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,284   +24

    The X1950XT is definitely faster than the X1950PRO, and if you get one for a price that is almost similar to the X1950PRO, take it. But in any case, I think the PSU requirements depend on what PC u get. Just check that the PC you get has a PSU that is at least 450W, otherwise you'll get a lot of BSODs.
  25. British_Command

    British_Command TechSpot Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 224

    Ok

    Ok, but the computer im getting is going to be 375 W, would that be good enough for the Pro version??? I could buy a better PSU but unfortunatly you cant upgrade that through the dell customisation. And my parents wouldnt be too happy about that...

    But would that be good enough? for X1950 Pro?
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