Could the PlayStation 5 arrive next year?

[TechHeadKeta]

Looks sick!

 

[andy06shake]

These consoles aren't for people that cant afford a nice big tv or gaming monitor. They are already priced at $400+

If you buy one of these "4k consoles" or a more capable/more expensive gaming pc and cant afford the 4k display to match, well the you may need to check your priorities.

Well I have a pretty much state of the art PC, but cant yet manage to afford to shell out £700-£1500 on a half decent 50" 4K TV. Need to wait until Christmas time before I will entertain that notion. As to my priorities, that would be food in the fridge, clothes on my children's back and paying the mortgage this month. Most people in this day of age are living hand to mouth, just a thought.

 

[andy06shake]

My prediction 8K gaming PS5 in 2020 in time for Tokyo Olympics

My prediction if indeed 8K gaming materializes around 2020, and does what it says on the tin consistently, it will cost an arm and a leg, hence wont exactly be in anyway mainstream, which is where consoles aim to be.

 

[OcelotRex]

They are trying to keep up with PC gaming but its not going to happen.
Either make the CPU, HDD and GPU somehow someway upgradeable for you average user, or let your console run its course.

Another issue that is still somewhat of an problem regrading console gaming at 4K is the cost of 4KTVs that are capable of doing the job.

This past Christmas Target had 4k 55 inch TCL TV (the brand with the Roku built in) for less than $400. With their Red Card and including 9% sales tax I think I bought one for a gift for $390 out the door.

 

[OcelotRex]

4K HDTV's are affordable now, well, better then they were, my issue with 4K gaming has to do output.
Sure, a console can run a game at 4K and that will be the big selling point '4K Gaming on the Scorpio everyone, come buy it now!!' But how well will it run it? Medium settings? No AA/AF/MSAA/TXAA? Dynamic Range/Lighting enabled? What FPS? In short, at what cost?

Some games look better at 720p/900p running on high settings/textures/AA, then games running at 1080p on medium settings. Resolution is nice but its only one part of the experience. The GTX 1080Ti will kick the dirt out of the PS4 Pro and Scorpio and its struggling to run games maxed at 4K. Console's have less baggage for background processes but still...

Yes better than they were but still dam costly if you are after anything 50" or larger, and even then a lot of them have other issues to contend with associated with gaming at such resolution. Granted they are getting better but cost is still a factor to consider.

These consoles aren't for people that cant afford a nice big tv or gaming monitor. They are already priced at $400+

If you buy one of these "4k consoles" or a more capable/more expensive gaming pc and cant afford the 4k display to match, well the you may need to check your priorities.

Both the Pro and Scorpio have 1080p improvements as well, though 4k is the main selling point. Big TVs and even 4k TVs are not much more expensive than the current console plus some games.

You don't need to spend $2,500 anymore to get a decent TV.

 

[ZackL04]

Well I have a pretty much state of the art PC, but cant yet manage to afford to shell out £700-£1500 on a half decent 50" 4K TV. Need to wait until Christmas time before I will entertain that notion. As to my priorities, that would be food in the fridge, clothes on my children's back and paying the mortgage this month. Most people in this day of age are living hand to mouth, just a thought.

Its a choice, most people with enough money to buy these toys get there because they dont spend until they have plenty in the bank.

 

[yukka]

Scorpio is said to run Forza Horizon 3 at 4k @ 60 fps. Digital Foundry played it and said it. Unless they lie then theres a ton of performance in Scorpio. I expect a price of around £450 and for what it is, I see the value in it and will buy it. Improving the catalogue of backwards compatible titles I already own, making my current games run smoother and offering all the new performance at 1080p without having to upgrade to a 4k telly straight away anyway. Thats just brilliant for me.

Sony might be considering another console refresh for halfway through next year because every game review after Scorpio comes out will be pixel counting the PS4 Pro vs Scorpio, just the same as the PS4 vs XB1 reviews did. Sony don't want the same bad publicity and they released the PS4 Pro too early for me. The technology was too expensive and I think they jumped too quick. If they do release a PS5 next year, it will be 2 years since the PS4 Pro was released. That doesn't seem like a crazy short time to wait for a hardware refresh that could actually do 4K properly (definition: 60fps at 4K without dialing down the settings so far that the games look ****).

It would be better for Sony if they could get some PS3 compatibility going in it. If the PS5 doesn't support all PS4 games, they will surely have lost the plot so that couldn't happen. Could it?

 

[ZackL04]

Scorpio is said to run Forza Horizon 3 at 4k @ 60 fps. Digital Foundry played it and said it. Unless they lie then theres a ton of performance in Scorpio. I expect a price of around £450 and for what it is, I see the value in it and will buy it. Improving the catalogue of backwards compatible titles I already own, making my current games run smoother and offering all the new performance at 1080p without having to upgrade to a 4k telly straight away anyway. Thats just brilliant for me.

Sony might be considering another console refresh for halfway through next year because every game review after Scorpio comes out will be pixel counting the PS4 Pro vs Scorpio, just the same as the PS4 vs XB1 reviews did. Sony don't want the same bad publicity and they released the PS4 Pro too early for me. The technology was too expensive and I think they jumped too quick. If they do release a PS5 next year, it will be 2 years since the PS4 Pro was released. That doesn't seem like a crazy short time to wait for a hardware refresh that could actually do 4K properly (definition: 60fps at 4K without dialing down the settings so far that the games look ****).

It would be better for Sony if they could get some PS3 compatibility going in it. If the PS5 doesn't support all PS4 games, they will surely have lost the plot so that couldn't happen. Could it?

They said it can play Forza 6 4k 60. My 980ti cant do 4k 60 constant in forza horizon, it dips to the 40s in the big city

 

[ZackL04]

Scorpio is said to run Forza Horizon 3 at 4k @ 60 fps. Digital Foundry played it and said it. Unless they lie then theres a ton of performance in Scorpio. I expect a price of around £450 and for what it is, I see the value in it and will buy it. Improving the catalogue of backwards compatible titles I already own, making my current games run smoother and offering all the new performance at 1080p without having to upgrade to a 4k telly straight away anyway. Thats just brilliant for me.

Sony might be considering another console refresh for halfway through next year because every game review after Scorpio comes out will be pixel counting the PS4 Pro vs Scorpio, just the same as the PS4 vs XB1 reviews did. Sony don't want the same bad publicity and they released the PS4 Pro too early for me. The technology was too expensive and I think they jumped too quick. If they do release a PS5 next year, it will be 2 years since the PS4 Pro was released. That doesn't seem like a crazy short time to wait for a hardware refresh that could actually do 4K properly (definition: 60fps at 4K without dialing down the settings so far that the games look ****).

It would be better for Sony if they could get some PS3 compatibility going in it. If the PS5 doesn't support all PS4 games, they will surely have lost the plot so that couldn't happen. Could it?

Why ps3 compatibility? Its been out for like 4 years. Who needs ps3 games?

 

[Mr Dude]

I wonder what these console manufacturers will do once you reach the maximum PPI that the human eye can perceive. That future isn't even all that far off, Samsung's stated to announce a 4K, 800ppi screen, which is already past visual perception for a regular handset's eye distance. Scale that to a TV's distance from the view and you'll be needing even less pixels.

Will they be pushing for larger and larger screens, to keep justifying the need for larger resolutions?
Get an 8K console, you only need a bigger living room wall to be able to see it all!

These latest console trends have become an obnoxious exercise in excess. MORE POWER for no gain. When was the last time someone said they enjoyed a game better because it had more pixels? Hell, even for p$rn there's only so much detail I care to see...

 

[ZackL04]

I wonder what these console manufacturers will do once you reach the maximum PPI that the human eye can perceive. That future isn't even all that far off, Samsung's stated to announce a 4K, 800ppi screen, which is already past visual perception for a regular handset's eye distance. Scale that to a TV's distance from the view and you'll be needing even less pixels.

Will they be pushing for larger and larger screens, to keep justifying the need for larger resolutions?
Get an 8K console, you only need a bigger living room wall to be able to see it all!

These latest console trends have become an obnoxious exercise in excess. MORE POWER for no gain. When was the last time someone said they enjoyed a game better because it had more pixels? Hell, even for p$rn there's only so much detail I care to see...

Great point, My 65" 4k tv is at least 12' away fromy my couch. And since I dont have any 4 k programming (directv and standard netflix) the picture actually looks worse up close compared to a quality 1080p set

 

[andy06shake]

Its a choice, most people with enough money to buy these toys get there because they dont spend until they have plenty in the bank.

Well I suppose that's also true, took me the best part of a year to accumulate the necessary readies to purchase a new rig. No point buying it in bits.

 

[andy06shake]

This past Christmas Target had 4k 55 inch TCL TV (the brand with the Roku built in) for less than $400. With their Red Card and including 9% sales tax I think I bought one for a gift for $390 out the door.

How did you find it, or the recipient find it for 4K gaming?

That's about £300 over here, if by some miracle any 50" 4KTV were available at that cost it's apt to be crap for gaming im afraid. Might be wrong all the same and you managed to pick up a proper bargain.

 

[OcelotRex]

How did you find it, or the recipient find it for 4K gaming?

That's about £300 over here, if by some miracle any 50" 4KTV were available at that cost it's apt to be crap for gaming im afraid. Might be wrong all the same and you managed to pick up a proper bargain.

We pitted it against a $1,700 Vizio 70+ inch and a ps4 pro. In the same room you could tell a difference but in separate rooms it wasn't enough for us to really care. I've seen some impressive, expensive setups in my time but the cheaper stuff offers 80% of the performance at an incredible value.

 

[Johnnyblaze1957]

I bought the Ps4 pro last year never believing it will do 4k because lets face it gpus struggle to do 4k so how can a console do it but it is an improvement over the base ps4 and if xbox buyers think Scorpio will do 4k even if Microsoft tell them it will they are deluding themselves. In Australia it costs $1195 for a 1080ti and that is just the graphics card so I think Scorpio will cost about $800 here as Microsoft are saying it is a premium product.

 

[Johnnyblaze1957]

Oh and the reason I say that is because we paid $750 for the xbox 360 when it released here.

 

[andy06shake]

We pitted it against a $1,700 Vizio 70+ inch and a ps4 pro. In the same room you could tell a difference but in separate rooms it wasn't enough for us to really care. I've seen some impressive, expensive setups in my time but the cheaper stuff offers 80% of the performance at an incredible value.

If your happy with the purchase and performance then that's really all that matters.

Thing is through if people are going pay upwards of £800 quid for these new consoles, and they are capable of running games at 4K/60fps, then they are going to want to view them on products 100% capable of utilizing there functionality. Not saying there is not a niche market for such budget products, I would quite happily myself snap up a 50"4KTV at the price you paid until I could afford something better then put the old one in one of my weans bedrooms.

 

[yukka]

They said it can play Forza 6 4k 60. My 980ti cant do 4k 60 constant in forza horizon, it dips to the 40s in the big city

Forza Motorsport 7 actually. Not Horizon 3 (my mistake) and not Forza 6.

 

[yukka]

Why ps3 compatibility? Its been out for like 4 years. Who needs ps3 games?

Same people that like backward compatible Xbox 360 games on their Xbox 1. Theres plenty of people who like having access to all their previously purchased console games, much like PC users enjoy their steam library.

 

[BadThad]

Sony sucks! I've had more Sony electronics fail than all other brands combined. They've been on my bad list for many, many years and I refuse to buy their products.

 

[OcelotRex]

If your happy with the purchase and performance then that's really all that matters.

Thing is through if people are going pay upwards of £800 quid for these new consoles, and they are capable of running games at 4K/60fps, then they are going to want to view them on products 100% capable of utilizing there functionality. Not saying there is not a niche market for such budget products, I would quite happily myself snap up a 50"4KTV at the price you paid until I could afford something better then put the old one in one of my weans bedrooms.

I think the main difference here in the USA is that good TVs can great great discounts. I am not sure what the original sales price was but this was a deep (50%?) discount, though not a rare one. After the holidays Best Buy had a Sharp 50+ inch 4k for near the same price that I thought about getting but the wife vetoed it.

It's been my experience that unless the TV has some horrible flaw almost all of them look good when you get them home away from the showroom. While some can be appreciably better than others when their alone in the vacuum of a room in your home the comparisons aren't as important. In that case the extreme value of the sale overtakes any lower performance (in my opinion).

It may be of note that my bedroom TV is a "Dynex" 32 inch I purchased in 2009 with a Roku Stick (2016) attached. I believe this was Best Buy's house brand before Insignia. It cost me around $250 out the door and still is acceptable for watching content, as much as a 32" TV can be.