CPU Price War!

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You sound like you seriously hate AMD... Possibly even biased but AMD a company that is obviously resilent will create a competing CPU. There not going to "OMG THEY RUSHED" quit and give up the market. Thats just ignorance in all respects.

I agree there is alot of hear-say from all these sites, but you have to assume theres truth under some bull****. I would definitely say that about Intels market campaign; some bull**** and some truth.
 
Ignorance is vowing to buy only from one, rather than letting competition work for you. I'll buy from either, therefor I must be less biased than you.

Please stop saying things you can not confirm. We have enough false info on the net. Price cuts are coming. :)
 
I don't believe that tomco is bias. he already stated his reason for not buying an intel. buy in many of your posts you have clearly stated your negative attitude towards AMD (which is surprising since you own 2 of them).

I happen to agree with tomco. I personally will not buy an intel for the same reason (they are too big, and they don't need more money, especially my money). I choose to support the underdog. you may not agree with it it , but it is my decision to make. it does not make me bias and it does not make tomco bias either

But even know I personally will not buy one, I have still suggested to other members to consider waiting for a conroe platform for it's price/performance.

anyways... I think this thread has served it's purpose. lets end it here and just enjoy the upcoming price cuts and performance war :D
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Today, Toms Hardware has another story on the price war.
The spokesperson said AMD refuses to lose price/performance leadership with the launch of Core 2 Duo.
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This is impossible. To do so would mean a $240 FX-62 because the Core 2 Duo E6400 is at that level of performance.

http://www.behardware.com/articles/623-1/intel-core-2-duo-test.html
Indeed, the Core 2 Duo is an exceptional processor! For example, a simple E6400 at $241 has a level of performances comparable to an Athlon 64 FX-62 at $1031, with a lower power consumption than an Athlon 64 X2 3800+ and with a comfortable Overclocking margin. From the E6600, AMD can no longer compete in terms of performances except in Maya where the FX-62 provides better results.
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seems possible to me :)

AMD is investing it's resources in 65nm processors.

processors like the FX-62 are already created, so all they have to do is keep making them. perhaps that is why they have decided to cut so many other models out of production. even with the dramatic price drop, they can still make money based on sales volume.

AMD has to make cutbacks to keep income flowing while they create the K8L. this is why they may be laying off 1,000 workers.

Intel also has to make cutbacks to remain competitive, which is why they have announced that they will lay off 1,000 managers
Currently, they have over 100,000 employees worldwide, and it appears that some investors wish to see that cut back to 90,000 or even 85,000
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. ouch! another 10,000-15,000 workers on top of the 1,000 managers!
 
I've seen countless reviews on the web of conroe, and in most of them they show amazing performance from these cpus, with many showing 10, 20, even 40% improvement over current amd offerings. I found an interesting article today that begs to differ. It kind of flies in the face of all the other reviews I've seen. Here's a link.
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTEwOCw3LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Not sure if hardocp is biased, or if the other reviews sites are hyping up conroe more than it should be. Hard OCP still says conroe is faster, but not a landslide victory like most other sites.

Interesting anyway...

Edit: Now my link should be right.
 
they didn't seem biased to me. they gave props to both AMD and Intel for making good gaming CPUs.

perhaps I read it wrong, but I didn't see anything about a Conroe in there though. I thought that the Intels they tested were extreme editions and P-D's, but i may be wrong :confused:

one thing i liked about that article was the AMD to Intel clock speed comaprison. for currently avaiable processors, they said that an 2.0GHz Athlon64 and a 3.2GHz pentium4 running were about equal in performance. that is interesting because that makes the AMD PR rating scale pretty accurate. a socket-939 athlon64@2.0GHz is a 3200+ (i think). AMD 3200+ = Intel 3200MHz. I'm glad to see that something cleared that up :D
 
Intel could have a 3.4GHz Core 2 Duo at any time, almost all Conroe cores will do that with a stock cooler. A 3.2GHz FX-66 is in the works now, I bet it comes with a awesome HSF! Now a $250 Allendale matches AMD's best and all three Conroes are untoughable in performance.

AMD has lost the high end and needs to cut costs drastically to keep the lucrative low end as Intel floods the channel with cheap 65nm netburst CPUs. AMD has to improve it's architecture to get more speed and/or higher IPC before it has any chance at all in the high end. The K8L Conroe clones may do the trick. :p

Call me biased (I do like Core 2 Duo), call me iginorant(I am not and it is a insulti), but you can't prove me wrong.:D

Maybe you don't speed english well?
 
[H]ardOCP did a GPU review.
The FX-60 faild to bottleneck the 7900gtx in Oblievion, "but that's OK, you can overclock AMD's."
 
KK said:
a socket-939 athlon64@2.0GHz is a 3200+ (i think). AMD 3200+ = Intel 3200MHz. I'm glad to see that something cleared that up
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Read the first post:
531 $74 - these are sweet chips, hitting 4.2ghz on air.
A64 3200+ $99 - 2.6-2.8 on air.

You save 25% and get 25% more. :lol:

Pentium 4's are to compete with the Semprons. I like Semprons, but come on now that's silly.
 
KingCody said:
they didn't seem biased to me. they gave props to both AMD and Intel for making good gaming CPUs.

perhaps I read it wrong, but I didn't see anything about a Conroe in there though. I thought that the Intels they tested were extreme editions and P-D's, but i may be wrong :confused:

one thing i liked about that article was the AMD to Intel clock speed comaprison. for currently avaiable processors, they said that an 2.0GHz Athlon64 and a 3.2GHz pentium4 running were about equal in performance. that is interesting because that makes the AMD PR rating scale pretty accurate. a socket-939 athlon64@2.0GHz is a 3200+ (i think). AMD 3200+ = Intel 3200MHz. I'm glad to see that something cleared that up :D
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Thanks for pointing out my linking mistake, I've fixed it now.
 
Mirob said:
The K8L Conroe clones may do the trick. :p
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clones?? haha that's the funniest thing i've ever heard :haha: The K8L processors will be far from clones. you don't think that AMD could pump out a clone right now if they wanted to??? come on man

the K8L will have independant L2 caches for each core, and will have an onboard shared L3 cache as well. does conroe or any other Intel have that?

AMD is taking a long time to make the new architechture because they need to win back the performance crown. they will continue to make improvements, and capitalize on every weakness that conroe has (and it does have weaknesses, even though you refuse to admit it)

Mirob said:
Maybe you don't speed english well?
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huh :confused:
 
You ignorance overwhelms me. Well, at least you can list one idea AMD has taken from Intel's newer designs. There are many more. You should read up on both, educate yourself and perhaps you could make a longer list.

I hope the INQ is correct, but I trust DigiTimes much more. All roadmaps have pointed to K8L in 2008 and Dearhound in Q407. The amount of misinformation floating around is making it hard to tell exactly what is going on at AMD. I'm sure much of it is rumors stated by silly little fan boys and being perpetuated over the Internet.
 
Price war in full swing.

AMD said:
``If Intel chooses to create a more aggressive market environment over the long term, that's something we'll have to respond to,'' Advanced Micro President Dirk Meyer said earlier this week at the conference. He declined to give details on Advanced Micro's price cuts.
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Bloomberg said:
Advanced Micro isn't positioned for a price war, Yeung said. Discussions with customers at Computex signaled Advanced Micro hasn't responded to the planned cuts.

Advanced Micro spokesmen Dave Kroll and Drew Prairie didn't immediately return phone calls seeking comment.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=a9bSLIkNBj4M


Prices from AMD - http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3361
Intel prices - http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3377

It would seem AMD is having problems with the 65nm proccess.
 
The price war continues, Intel announced there new line of processors Core 2Duo microprocessors on Thursday, dubbing the desktop "Conroe" and the mobile "Merom" chips "the best processors in the world". Intel also annouced a 60% price drop in pentium 4 processors and a 40% price drop for the pentium d or dual core processors.
The whole article can be found at this link http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1995004,00.asp
 
X-bit Labs has a story on AMD's price cuts.

I have a E6300 in transit from ZipZoomFly! I payed $219 for a $189 chip. But heck it will utterly demolish a FX-62 once I "tweek" it.:haha:
I was lucky. I think all retail boxes are gone. Tiger Direct has OEMs, for over the price of retail.

I want a E6700, but it appears that the retail chips may not be as good as the ES chips I have seen. This will hold me over for a while, until prices come down to MSRP and a better stepping is out. :D
 
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