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Crysis 2 DirectX 11 patch is out, comparison inside

By Matthew
Jun 22, 2011
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  1. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,537   +330

    I agree you do not need DX11 for a great game or even great graphics however.
    Crysis 2 was supposed to have "the best" graphics, which requires DX11 to be used as it does have features that simply cannot be supported by DX9 and they do make the graphics look more realistic and once again crysis can be used as a bench mark and will be a more imersive experience.

    The point of all the complaining is that before Crysis 2 was released, it was listed as DX11 compatible, it was announced again and again that it will deliver the best graphics in any game to date and raise the bar above the orginal, The company even went out on a limb and said it was making sure the PC version would be superior.

    Yet all of these have yet to surface. Finally now we are going to see what the game engine is actually capable of and now we will finally see the efforts that the comany has put in for the PC version like they said.

    Why would sales figures be bigger for the PC version when, so far, it has been a complete let down over what the company promised? They didn't break any promises for the console version, it came out exactly how they had planned.

    I think once this patch is released Techspot should do an updated review and see what the effects are like and how they affect system performance before simply passing this up as to little to late.
     
  2. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,105   +18

    Maybe an urban legend to people who didn't play computer games, but there was a time about a decade ago where I would literally download every game that came out, if I had a slightest desire to even try it, and even though all those games were cracked they pretty much all worked. And even if they didn't, it was an exception not the rule.

    I'm sure you can Google enough counters to whatever I say, but these days most AAA titles come out with bugs that are reproducible across a wide range of hardware, from good to bad. The problem started when games started being viewed as commodities by large corporations that began snapping up gaming developers to add to their asset portfolio, and games stopped being released when they're done, but according to some prearranged date set a year back.
     
  3. princeton

    princeton TS Addict Posts: 1,716

    No problem. Don't let....ignorant people try and put you down and try and mark you as a pirate.

    Do you know what a strawman argument is? Because it's exactly what you're doing. Your arguments are just filled with fallacies, just give up.

    Burty. How dare you try and impose logic on a post made from a Techspot guest. You know better than that!

    Sorry about that. THERE'S TOO MANY GUESTS! We need tripcodes or something.

    EDIT: By the way Crytek. You've had 8 major patches now. Could you please fix the issue where if you die in campaign before reaching a checkpoint in the level you lose all your attachments and have to restart the level?
     
  4. Per Hansson

    Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,933   +126 Staff Member

    Your post is so spot on yRaz that I just had to quote it in full, I agree with everything you are saying!

    Well, can you name one good game that has come out since?
    Frankly I was not that impressed by HL2, great games with great story I have played in recent times have been Half-Life 1 and Deus Ex 1
    That's pretty much it!
    Sure Starcraft 2 was kinda cool, but if we limit ourselves to FPS games like the aforementioned two....
    Crysis 1 was really fun to play, it had a great atmosphere.
    I could get lost in there hours on end, sadly the story was nothing like you find in HL1 or Deus Ex.
    Crysis 1 is what I'd call an immersive game, not necessarily a game that has a great story that you can get immersed in, but simply something else (In this case the great vistas and awsome graphics for it's time, just like Far Cry)
    This in and of itself is not bad, but it's important when you make a sequel to remember what gamers liked about the original game, because if you take all those parts away maybe user reviews will not be so flattering...

    I did not have doubts that a DX11 patch would come, but I did not expect it to bring so much to the table, kudos to that Crytek!
    I also said that I think there is no way at all that a high resolution texture pack will be released, simply due to the big size and job of releasing it, I was wrong there and it will be fun to see what a difference it makes.
    It still leaves me wondering why the game was not released like this? (Yea, I mean holding up the launch until the game is finished)

    But the problem remains, the AI sucks & the big Vistas of Crysis 1 are missing.
    No getting around that I am afraid :(
     
  5. princeton

    princeton TS Addict Posts: 1,716

    It's not even AI, it's scripted enemies that navigate using nodes.

    [​IMG]

    They rely on nodes more than the combine from HL2. It's funny because when it comes to FPS games most use navigation zones, like UE3 games. Generally nodes are worse because the movement is all waypoint based, instead of decision making.

    EDIT: Check out the DX11 page now. http://www.mycrysis.com/dx11 It says "Something went horribly wrong" Talk about encapsulating everything that is this game.
     
  6. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,969   +738

    I wont refute your argument because there is a great element of truth in it in general terms. Pick any TWIMTBP or Gaming Evolved title and it is a certainty that more than half the user base will experience performance handicapping and driver bugs. What I will say is that the bugged nature of modern games- as opposed to the supposedly bug-free nature of those in the past- is more a rose-tinted glasses scenario that is exacerbated by a number of conditions:
    *Direct development/code implementation by Nvidia and AMD
    *The larger number of released game titles per year (add in driver team overwork/incompetance)
    *The rise of entitlement on the net
    *Money/greed, sponsorship/product placement, media tie-ins (covered by yourself)
    *A wider range of hardware configurations, graphics architectures, API's and an ever expanding checklist of graphical image quality settings (Question: How many ten year old games weigh in at 9 Gb for instance ?)
    *DRM

    As for being able to pick up any old game and having a bug-free experience, I'd say that gaming experience, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder- that and a modicum of luck. Google any game and add "problem", "bug", "error" etc.. and you'll most likely be rewarded with bona-fide hits.
     
  7. Pre Hansson,

    I can think of plenty of PC games I enjoyed since HL2 and Deus Ex 1.

    The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay - Developer's Cut (amazing!)
    GTA IV
    Dirt 2/ Dirt 3
    F1 2010
    Mass Effect 1&2
    Battlefield 2 & BF:BC2
    Dragon Age series
    The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
    Batman AA
    Bioshock 1
    Call of Duty Modern Warfare 1
    Unreal Tournament 3
    World in Conflict
    Braid
    Portal 1&2
    The Witcher 2
    Left 4 Dead 2
    Team Fortress
    Burnout Paradise
    Dead Space 1 & 2
    Gears of War
    Company of Heroes

    If you don't like any of the above games, then I don't know what you want in a videogame. I tried playing HL1 and it's horrible compared to modern standards.

    I think as people grow older, they just get more grumpy and life and like to complain. So the same gamers 10-15 years ago were much younger and more happy in life. Now, all they do is look at the negative aspect of a game.

    Perhaps you should try playing outside of the FPS genre. Try a Zelda game for example. Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time is better than 97% of games I've ever played. Most FPS nowdays lack good single-player campaigns - so by default in my eyes they can't be considered the top genre today.
     
  8. PinothyJ

    PinothyJ TS Enthusiast Posts: 429   +15

    Their GameSpy network interface is still jerky and super annoying so it is hard to justify to myself to start playing this again when I know it is just going to be at the same level of all my other games (probably even less).

    {shrugs}, we will see…
     
  9. Zecias

    Zecias TS Booster Posts: 202

    this
    Most of the people that say crysis 2 failed aren't saying that its a bad game, but it failed to meet the standards of the original.
     
  10. princeton

    princeton TS Addict Posts: 1,716

    Exactly. It would definitely hold up as a stand alone game, but as a sequel it's disappointing.
     
  11. yRaz

    yRaz TS Maniac Posts: 1,037   +157

    Even the part about the explosives?
     
     
  12. Amen brother. I enjoyed this game too and am looking forward to this dx11 patch.
     
  13. imadefon

    imadefon TS Rookie

    Oh no!!....???
    I'm still hope that my gtx 560 ti run smoothly on dx 11
     
  14. The game is still a turd no matter the polish. ;-)
     
  15. Per Hansson

    Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,933   +126 Staff Member

    Yea, even the part about the trees :)
    I would usually drive around in the Hummer or other vehicle with mounted machine gun and shoot them down :)
    One of my fondest memories from Crysis 1 is while attacking a few enemies I see a tree fall in the background, that still makes me smile to this day :)

    The more I think about it it's the exploration part I love in these games, like Far Cry, Crysis 1 etc you can spend hours doing little silly things in the game even after having killed all enemies and it keeps you totally immersed in the game!

    In Crysis 2 it's more like this, corridor with 10 doors, I try to open 9 of them, they are all locked...
    Nevermind I'm packing a ton of explosives and guns, those doors stay closed.
    So I go through the 10:th door :(
     
  16. Zeromus

    Zeromus TS Enthusiast Posts: 231   +7

    I don't know if anyone's noticed but isn't the tessellation effect on the brick wall a bit buggy? If tessellation maps provide the walls with geometry-based beveling, if you can see from the farthest-left corner of the window that the bricks aren't aligned horizontally. The one thing that bugs me about that image, I mean the DX11 patch is going to look great, but man those bricks should be fixed.
     
  17. blimp01

    blimp01 TS Enthusiast Posts: 157

    I still gotta disagree, POM disabled still looks better as turning it on pretty much disables anisotrophic filtering on the rocky textures, but it could be just my personal preference but I would never go with the low AF- I even started up Wars and took some pics

    ON - http://postimage.org/image/b565pguc/
    OFF - http://postimage.org/image/b5uyro90/

    -sorry the colour is off, havent tuned anything yet
     
  18. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Guru Posts: 692   +48

    Console port!!!!!!!!!!!! Crysis 1 has better graphics, the DX11 patch is NOT good enough!
     
  19. be_patient

    be_patient TS Rookie Posts: 105

    Get over it mate. It's a great game that looks good and it fun. What else do you want?
     
  20. ET3D

    ET3D TechSpot Paladin Posts: 997   +32

    I completely agree with Guest here. The amount of bitching here (and elsewhere) is incredible. If you're that ***** who never has anything good to say to her guy, don't be surprised if you find him with another woman. Do you really think a developer will think anything but: "apparently these gamers don't really care about the DX11 improvements, might as well stick to DX9 next time."

    Princeton, go do some reading about why there's a difference between 30 fps and 60 fps. I'm sure some googling will help you.
     
  21. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,537   +330

    I've installed the Patch and the High Res Textures, I do not have a DX11 card yet.

    I have to admit, they have improved it enough for me to go through the single player again, just for the views this time, lighting is finally real, shadows look much better and reflections also work! and water now responds and moves like it should!

    Why Crytek did it this way rather than just release the PC version later with all the tweaks, I will never know.
     
  22. captainawesome

    captainawesome TS Guru Posts: 422   +42

    i would like to see a CPU/GPU performance roundup for DX11 and tessellation enabled performance comparison please!
     
  23. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,914   +93

    The reason that this "patch' exists is because enough people expressed their dissatisfaction that Cervat Yerli ran his lips for three years about Crysis 2 being the the "greatest graphics of all time" as well as other lofty statements about the then upcoming sequel. Then they came out with the dreadful game they did with a decade old API. They would have kept it that way if they could have gotten away with it. The rest of the industry was also watching intently to see if EA/Crytek would get away with it as well, so they could do the same thing. i would submit to you that all of the folks who 'Dont have anything nice to say' have done more for the future of PC gaming than has been done in a good long time. It may be the last time for a while that these guys try the "way over-promise, and miserably under-deliver while resting on the laurels of past work strategy" on a PC version.
    Keep up the negative comments coming until Cervat actually believes what he said:
    not to mention this preposterous rambling:
    A gift?...really? how about late delivery of what we paid for in the first place....remember? "the greatest graphics of all time"
    That would have been extremely difficult to do with a console port and a 10 year old API.
    I would say that if you are enjoying the DX11/Hi res pak ....you can thank the people who yelled ,wrote , posted, and Kvetched since dropping their $60 to be met with a trip back in time to 2007 graphics and an XBox port.
    just my 2 cents.
     
  24. Nice one Bro!
     
  25. Superpeter

    Superpeter TS Member Posts: 49

    Thank you for saying that so eloquently. I have to use some of that to clarify the half a**ed treatment that people in my life treat others like that everyday. In the things they do for people, I always think the same.. "A gift?...really?". Thanks for holding your torch to the light.
     


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