Just when I was thinking that the windows badmouthing was starting to get groundless (my only gripe is that everything requireing prompting, meaning i sit in front of my computer for hours pressing yes and no) I ran disk cleanup on my Seagate 250 gb 7200.8 Barracuda drive, and for once let it run, since it usualy dosnt' seem to get anywhere i normaly cancel it. After about 4 hours the comp shut off and the drive is unnaccesible. I run windows xp pro on my 40 gig maxtor, and put applications and downloads on the seagate, but i am unable to boot windows completely while the drive is attached (it stays at the personal settings part of the startup). The scandisk just lists unreadable sectors endlessly, and hard drive regenererator just lists the first sector as bad and doesn't seem to make any progress repairing it, or scanning further. Ran the windows repair console's chkdsk and after 25% it gives up saying that the disk is un-repairable. Disconnect the drive, plug it into an external usb ide converter and load windows (with most all of my apps dead) and run seagate disk diagnostic windows version and all the scans say the drive is unnacessable except the "long scan" which goes through about 50k sectors before saying repair failed. Seagate dos utility fails to load entirely, just giving me a prompt and a ramdrive, then hangs if i try to load it manualy from the prompt. I figure it is likely that the drive my still be usable after a full format (thoughts?) but would also like to know before hand if anyone has any ideas to pull files off the drive, since windows see's it in drive manager but not in explorer. Basicaly just want a second opinion before i resign myself to 24 hours of installing applications and digging through cd keys. Thanks techspotters in advance, especialy for letting me whine about my computer problems, it's very theraputic, and the responses are helpful too.