DoJ claims Google 'systematically destroyed' evidence by auto-deleting chat logs

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Facepalm: The US Department of Justice has asked the DC District Court for an injunction and "appropriate relief" over Goggle's use of self-deleting chat software. The DoJ claims that Google has effectively been destroying evidence over the last several years using the "history off" feature of Google Chat.

The so-called "history off" feature is available in Google's teleconferencing software — Google Chat, formerly known as Hangouts. It is more accurately just a history setting that automatically deletes conversations after 24 hours if it is disabled (set to "off"). While it is not illegal for companies to use the feature or even manually delete conversations, it is unlawful to do so during ongoing litigation, which is the DoJ's primary complaint.

In a motion filed Thursday, Justice officials say that Google should have turned its internal chat and Hangouts history on in 2019 when it became evident that antitrust lawsuits related to the company's advertising business were forthcoming. At the very least, Google should have enabled history in 2020 when the Justice Department filed the lawsuits. However, the sanctions request states that Google continued to "systematically" destroy evidence until just earlier this week.

"For nearly four years, Google systematically destroyed an entire category of written communications every 24 hours," the filing states.

Instead of internally setting chat histories to "on," Google left it up to employees to decide if their conversations needed to be preserved for future legal proceedings. The DoJ claims that most of them left the setting disabled.

Google denies any wrongdoing and says it has complied with the DoJ's every request.

"[We] strongly refute the DOJ's claims," a Google spokesperson told CNBC. "Our teams have conscientiously worked for years to respond to inquiries and litigation. In fact, we have produced over 4 million documents in this case alone, and millions more to regulators around the world."

The Justice Department's complaint points to evidence from Epic's antitrust suit against Google that seems to confirm that Google employees knowingly and routinely conducted "sensitive" discussions in a manner that did not leave a record.

"Since it's a sensitive topic, I prefer to discuss offline or over hangout," read a quote from one of Epic's discovery documents.

The DoJ stated it is not interested in delaying the litigation or reopening the discovery process. It just wants "appropriate sanctions" for Google's destruction of potential evidence.

"The United States is not seeking to reopen fact discovery, and this motion does not affect the trial date nor the outstanding summary judgment," the filing reads. "This motion only seeks to determine the appropriate sanctions to redress Google's destruction of written communications."

The DoJ asks the court to compel Google to turn over any and all communications regarding what it told employees regarding off-the-record conversations and how specific it was in its instructions involving the preservation of written communication. It also asks that the company produce any witnesses with knowledge of Google's preservation policies so that DoJ officials can depose testimony before evidentiary hearings proceed.

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“You have the right to remain silence, anything you say can and will be used against you in court.” Doesn't that famous quote still apply anymore?

Furthermore, what is the guarantee that the records of private communications will be intact? Is it not illegal for a third party to log private communications without the consent of the participants? Do they know the law at the DoJ?
 
“You have the right to remain silence, anything you say can and will be used against you in court.” Doesn't that famous quote still apply anymore?

Furthermore, what is the guarantee that the records of private communications will be intact? Is it not illegal for a third party to log private communications without the consent of the participants? Do they know the law at the DoJ?

From the article :
"While it is not illegal for companies to use the feature or even manually delete conversations, it is unlawful to do so during ongoing litigation, which is the DoJ's primary complaint."
 
“You have the right to remain silence, anything you say can and will be used against you in court.” Doesn't that famous quote still apply anymore?

Furthermore, what is the guarantee that the records of private communications will be intact? Is it not illegal for a third party to log private communications without the consent of the participants? Do they know the law at the DoJ?

You do not have a right to destroy evidence ;) dunno how you get that mixed up with a right to not talk to law enforcement.

Also written communication in a business is very different from personal communications. But even for personal communications, deleting chat logs after the government has specifically sued you and demanded you turn over communications is probably not #goodlegaladvice
 
You do not have a right to destroy evidence ;) dunno how you get that mixed up with a right to not talk to law enforcement.

Also written communication in a business is very different from personal communications. But even for personal communications, deleting chat logs after the government has specifically sued you and demanded you turn over communications is probably not #goodlegaladvice
Laws are overrated. In practice they are just some excuses so that those who are unproductive can steal money from those who are productive without reaction through a mechanism known as "taxation", through the fear that something bad will happen if they don't exorcise it with the laws.

In short, the laws are the ship on which the pirates board the hostages and force them into forced labour.

They do not even have the basic consistency to apply them properly. There is the legal good of personality (hence the quotation), which legal good of personality has the highest priority, far above the legal good of property. Not only can the investigating authority not require the accused to cooperate and support the charge against him, it cannot control the evidence, which is an extension of the accused's personality. All it can do is collect testimony and evidence from public structures. For example, not only can he not ask for the password of your mobile phone, but he cannot even try to open it, even if it is unlocked, because all of this is a violation of the legal right to privacy which comes from the legal good of personality, which, as we said, is paramount.

I hope my answer has covered you.
 
From the article :
"While it is not illegal for companies to use the feature or even manually delete conversations, it is unlawful to do so during ongoing litigation, which is the DoJ's primary complaint."
Therefore, the solution is to always have ongoing litigation.
 
You do not have a right to destroy evidence ;) dunno how you get that mixed up with a right to not talk to law enforcement.

Also written communication in a business is very different from personal communications. But even for personal communications, deleting chat logs after the government has specifically sued you and demanded you turn over communications is probably not #goodlegaladvice

That’s not true. If you have the right last name you can acid wash communication’s and destroy hard drives with hammers to destroy evidence and the DOJ and FBI will just look the other way, but you had best not be an ordinary citizen.
 
That’s not true. If you have the right last name you can acid wash communication’s and destroy hard drives with hammers to destroy evidence and the DOJ and FBI will just look the other way, but you had best not be an ordinary citizen.
They're still stonewalling the release of the JFK files, whatever is left of those.
 
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