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DX9 vs DX10

By flashn00b
Aug 2, 2008
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  1. Is there really a big difference between the two?
  2. LNCPapa

    LNCPapa TS Special Forces Posts: 4,305   +265

    Yes there is - I'll try to post some screenshots of Gears of War running in each in a couple of days - or perhaps you can google some, but I'll try to post the same scene with each when I do.
  3. kenpachi

    kenpachi TS Rookie

    I don't think there is a huge difference, Direct x 10 just has some more special eye candy filters.
  4. Ultiweap

    Ultiweap TS Enthusiast Posts: 742

    Sorry but you're wrong. There is a great difference between both as the DX10 change completely an image or video. But also DX10 have some things also that game need for DX9. So it is good to have both install or easily you install Dx9 then Dx10 that will be the best.
  5. kenpachi

    kenpachi TS Rookie

    Well then the review sites that do side-by-side comparisons of certain games do not do dx10 justice, because they always seem to look identical to me.
  6. Ultiweap

    Ultiweap TS Enthusiast Posts: 742

    Ah, everyone his opinion but I can assure you that DX10 have a great difference on the image/video.
  7. Quickshot

    Quickshot TS Rookie Posts: 30

    Nope, from what I saw there isn't really a huge difference between the two, apart from the HUGE performance impact that it has on games. Don't misunderstand me, there IS a difference, but is it really worth it ?
    Here's a good article from gamespot on the comparisons with screenshots of Crysis : http://www.gamespot.com/features/6182140/index.html
    Like they said, with a little "hack" you can run Crysis on Very High settings under XP (these settings were originally only available through Vista), and as a result, the difference between Vista Very High settings with Dx10 and XP very high settings with dx9 is barely noticeable. (in fact, I don't see any)
    A second article shows the difference : http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/pcs/directx-9-vs-directx-10-worth-upgrading-to-vista-for-243099.php
    Like you can all see, the main differences are the quality of the shadows, the water, and the sun rays.
  8. Ultiweap

    Ultiweap TS Enthusiast Posts: 742

    Yes i not wrong but the slight changes sometimes makes some person happy as they have good performance PC so they are not annoyed by the need in performance of DX10...
  9. Quickshot

    Quickshot TS Rookie Posts: 30

    You can't "install" Dx10. Some of its files already come with the download of directx 9.0c and it is already included in Vista.

    You seem to change ideas pretty fast :D
  10. LNCPapa

    LNCPapa TS Special Forces Posts: 4,305   +265

    I don't know about you but if you don't see a huge difference in the first set of screenshots here (and imagine that in motion) then it's probably not worth trying to find better looking graphics for a few years - or until there is a major breakthrough in graphics rendering processes. Shadows and lighting are some of the easiest ways to tell that a scene is rendered vs real. Once we can do that easily and at little cost there will be a huge leap in general real-time rendered image quality - IMO.

    IIRC the second set of images (FlightSim) is a fake, but take a look at Crysis with the water set to the highest settings. One of my favorite things to show off to people when they come over is to take the flare sitting on the ground at the beginning of the game and toss it into the water. It's pretty amazing.
  11. Ultiweap

    Ultiweap TS Enthusiast Posts: 742

    I agree with you a little my friend as the difference is good but the problem is not only the difference on the image/video but on the performance as my friend Qucikshot told use. For the DX10 work well like that it needs a lot of of resources and not all people have computer with the system requirements and also money for that. So sometimes DX10 is a little bad due to the performance it require for running.

    And also for Quickshot i'm not changing ideas but i'm just asking that the words you written is not wrong and that I agree with you.
     
  12. kimsland

    kimsland Ex-TechSpotter Posts: 18,353

  13. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,522   +298

    And DX9 used a lot more than DX7. To see progression it requires better hardware.
  14. Ultiweap

    Ultiweap TS Enthusiast Posts: 742

    Yeah it can have a big difference but not enough difference between Dx9 to DX10 even on quality and performance needed. And also Dx10 can only be used on only one one Windows which is Vista. Not talking about the other that other developers did for XP as it is not the same a on Vista.

    Nice photos kimsland this shows the big difference between Dx9 and DX10.
  15. LNCPapa

    LNCPapa TS Special Forces Posts: 4,305   +265

    Due to the size of these pics I decided against placing them inline on this thread. Instead, if you're truly interested go to http://www.duke.edu/~mepm/images/screenshots/GoW/ and grab some of the images yourself. These are the actual settings I play at on each of these machines - I changed nothing at all. Keep in mind that these images range in size from 2-5 MB - the first screenshot in each folder is simply the settings I use on each machine. I ran fraps to grab the screenshots.

    Best DX9 game I've seen, if you haven't had a chance to check it out yet, is Call of Duty 4. It's pretty amazing considering you don't have to make any modifications to the game and it looks the way it does right out of the box. If you ever get a chance to see it on a beefy machine spend a few minutes with it.
  16. kimsland

    kimsland Ex-TechSpotter Posts: 18,353

    They're too big!

    I know you said, keep in mind...

    But it's difficult to compare
    It'll be better to have them side by side, and small
    Because it's too difficult to tell, without downloading them all
    Even though you did a lot of work
  17. LNCPapa

    LNCPapa TS Special Forces Posts: 4,305   +265

    Yeah - I noticed that it was pretty difficult to compare them. I was comparing them by opening them full screen at the actual resolution and cycling through them. After I posted this I tried comparing them on my laptop which only has a res of 1680x1050 - it was much harder to compare at this res because there is some scaling of the image going on. Perhaps... if I get a wild hair over the next few days, I'll set it up again and lower the res before taking my shots. I might even crank the settings all the way up for both when I do that.
  18. ¼ of a hotdog

    ¼ of a hotdog TS Enthusiast Posts: 214

    a while ago i heard of a group working on a dx10 hack for xp now i have no idea if you can trust it at all but i found the link so it may be worth a shot so dx10 might not only be for vista.
    http://www.technospot.net/blogs/download-directx-10-for-windows-xp-from-alky-project/




    here are the best images i have found comparing the two
    http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9550

    hop that helps and i think there is a bit of a difference if you see things like dust in the air and stuff like that
  19. Ultiweap

    Ultiweap TS Enthusiast Posts: 742

    Yes they made an DX10 for Windows XP but the results isn't the same that on Vista as some effects are missing and also it can't take the performance it can get on vista to do the same on XP...
  20. Myzz617

    Myzz617 TS Rookie Posts: 382

    Personally Vista is not the OS for gamers yet IMO.
  21. Ultiweap

    Ultiweap TS Enthusiast Posts: 742

    No you are a little wrong. Some game play better than on Win XP as example Gears of War, Microsoft and a lot of gamers will ask you that it play well on Vista and there is not only Gears of War but all the game who have the logo Games for Windows on the box is better to be played on Vista
  22. Quickshot

    Quickshot TS Rookie Posts: 30

    Nah... At least from my experience, the games that have the "Games for Windows" logo on them do not play better on Vista than on XP. In fact, "Games for Windows" is part of Microsoft's marketing campaign which "aims to make video gaming on Windows operating systems as easy and accessible as on popular video game consoles." (Source : Wikipedia :D)
  23. Gflo

    Gflo TS Rookie Posts: 105

  24. Acclamator

    Acclamator TS Rookie Posts: 295

    If you look up screenshots of Crysis on DX9 and DX10 you will see no difference.
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