Elon Musk buys 9.2% of Twitter, complains about its free-speech stance

[Ohnooze]

An interesting thing about the decline of culture is that it is quite often when the youth of a civilization forget what their parents have done to give them the prosperity that they have. They turn on the older generations, feel entitled, and indulge their passions. Another interesting thing is they'll always deny what most people see, our culture is in steep decline and the US that existed and gave us the prosperity we have today is already gone. When you realize it though, it will be too late.

So true! They destroy what they have been given because they take it for granted. They seem to have such a distaste for the US not seeing how good they really have it. They lose perspective because they are so self absorbed and become twisted.

 

[Squid Surprise]

It's is intellectually stupid. No one should be forced into someone else's fantasy. I don't care that they want to live in it themselves, but no one should have to affirm it. There are some of us that even believe its dangerous and wrong to affirm it. And statistically, it bares out, one of the highest rates of suicide are from people that have underwent surgeries to be the opposite sex. You of course will blame that on that individual not being accepted, but there is little evidence to back that up. What twitter wants is to shut down the conversation under the guise of hate speech. Never mind that many people including many doctors see irreparable damage from pushing an ideology over reality.

If you live in a bureaucracy, there are LOTS of "intellectually stupid" things... like printing 3 copies of a form that will be filed electronically....

While "some of us" might find it dangerous, I'd love to hear your reasons...
How many people commit suicide because A) people affirm their life choices vs B) get discriminated because of them? I'm betting that option A doesn't win too many of those cases....

We don't need to shut down the conversation... what we need is people to provide their opinions, back them up with evidence, and be open to the possibility that they are wrong.

 

[crocography]

... people are largely racist and INTOLERANT of others...

And there is the problem in a nutshell... when your whole life's belief is so incredibly negative I am surprised you want to live it. This leads to squid people censoring everything they can and making unnecessary room for the fantasylands of others.

Regardless...

Like someone said previously censorship needs to end, these silly woke fantasies need to end, and Musk has said as much. I wish him the best and hope that he gains enough of this townhall app to allow the free flow of ideas.

 

[Ohnooze]

While "some of us" might find it dangerous, I'd love to hear your reasons...
How many people commit suicide because A) people affirm their life choices vs B) get discriminated because of them? I'm betting that option A doesn't win too many of those cases....

We don't need to shut down the conversation... what we need is people to provide their opinions, back them up with evidence, and be open to the possibility that they are wrong.

Why do you think that people believe they are the wrong sex? I'm really curious. Do you think there is some kind of genetic problem?
I personally feel for these people if they truly do believe they are in the wrong body. On the other hand I don't think that the majority of claims are true especially not in the younger generation. IMO it and social justice in general has become a bit of a fad and again you can really see this in the younger generation. My daughter was telling me the other day about a conversation at school. The kids were sitting around talking and trying to figure out "what they were". Some were saying "I think I'm trans" and others "I think I'm gay" and so on. Kids at school openly talk about their sexuality and honestly I think they just latch on to the popular thing at the time. Some may go as far as to change their bodies only to regret it later in life.
No one's value is in their sexuality. No one's identity is in their sex.
In the end we are all just humans and every bit equal but you can't expect everyone to accept everything you believe about yourself. It does not mean they hate you but it does mean they don't agree with you and that's just life.

 

[Ohnooze]

And there is the problem in a nutshell... when your whole life's belief is so incredibly negative I am surprised you want to live it. This leads to squid people censoring everything they can and making unnecessary room for the fantasylands of others.

Regardless...

Like someone said previously censorship needs to end, these silly woke fantasies need to end, and Musk has said as much. I wish him the best and hope that he gains enough of this townhall app to allow the free flow of ideas.

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Comes to mind...

 

[EdmondRC]

If you live in a bureaucracy, there are LOTS of "intellectually stupid" things... like printing 3 copies of a form that will be filed electronically....

While "some of us" might find it dangerous, I'd love to hear your reasons...
How many people commit suicide because A) people affirm their life choices vs B) get discriminated because of them? I'm betting that option A doesn't win too many of those cases....

We don't need to shut down the conversation... what we need is people to provide their opinions, back them up with evidence, and be open to the possibility that they are wrong.

The best thing, as many studies have confirmed, is that you help people with gender dysphoria resolve the issue before you ever think about giving them puberty blockers and surgery. As I stated, something like 90% resolve themselves during puberty. Even when one of these papers comes out, which is not often anymore, it is attacked. So yes, what the left wants to do is shut down this conversation because the ideology is more important and beneficial to them than the truth. If the left is willing to allow kids to undergo surgeries before puberty to affirm their feelings about their gender, good people need to stand up to that. President Biden however, just gave a speech advocating for such treatments. And what happens when you spend years affirming something and creating an identity for a young person that would have likely been just fine anyway? It creates more problems than it solves because now they feel like they can't go back. Yes, its harmful, extremely so.

 

[Squid Surprise]

The best thing, as many studies have confirmed, is that you help people with gender dysphoria resolve the issue before you ever think about giving them puberty blockers and surgery. As I stated, something like 90% resolve themselves during puberty. Even when one of these papers comes out, which is not often anymore, it is attacked. So yes, what the left wants to do is shut down this conversation because the ideology is more important and beneficial to them than the truth. If the left is willing to allow kids to undergo surgeries before puberty to affirm their feelings about their gender, good people need to stand up to that. President Biden however, just gave a speech advocating for such treatments. And what happens when you spend years affirming something and creating an identity for a young person that would have likely been just fine anyway? It creates more problems than it solves because now they feel like they can't go back. Yes, its harmful, extremely so.

I definitely agree that surgery/hormone replacement should be a last resort... but who are we to deny ANY treatment to a free citizen?

I would argue that breast implants are probably far more detrimental to society... but I'd like to see someone make that procedure illegal...

 

[maxxcool7421]

The best thing, as many studies have confirmed, is that you help people with gender dysphoria resolve the issue before you ever think about giving them puberty blockers and surgery. As I stated, something like 90% resolve themselves during puberty. Even when one of these papers comes out, which is not often anymore, it is attacked. So yes, what the left wants to do is shut down this conversation because the ideology is more important and beneficial to them than the truth. If the left is willing to allow kids to undergo surgeries before puberty to affirm their feelings about their gender, good people need to stand up to that. President Biden however, just gave a speech advocating for such treatments. And what happens when you spend years affirming something and creating an identity for a young person that would have likely been just fine anyway? It creates more problems than it solves because now they feel like they can't go back. Yes, its harmful, extremely so.

So your ok with teen suicides then, and bullying by religious nazis .. got it.

 

[Ohnooze]

I definitely agree that surgery/hormone replacement should be a last resort... but who are we to deny ANY treatment to a free citizen?

I would argue that breast implants are probably far more detrimental to society... but I'd like to see someone make that procedure illegal...

Are you not talking about children here? These little people are still watching cartoons, learning to read, tie their shoes and not crap their pants. I don't think you need to take much they say overly serious when it comes to how they feel about gender. That is so far beyond what they are capable of understanding that it should be completely ignored until they are considered adults. They can make that decision when they are 18ish but it's our responsibility to keep them from destroying themselves with stupid. You simply don't ask children to make adult decisions especially when it comes to something so severe as altering their bodies.
I can't even believe we are having to talk about such things and children having sex changes. Amazing that the even the president of the US can support such things. Society has seriously lost it's way.

 

[crocography]

So your ok with teen suicides then, and bullying by religious nazis .. got it.

Talk with the left, get Nazi references. Yep this is exactly why the stupidity of a self-chosen few on the left needs to be called out with free speech on twitter. maxxuncoo illustrates this point quite clearly. Go Musk!

 

[EdmondRC]

So your ok with teen suicides then, and bullying by religious nazis .. got it.

This is a great example of attempting to shut down discussion you don't like.

 

[crocography]

This is not an opinion, this is hyperbole and off-topic!

 

[EdmondRC]

Are you not talking about children here? These little people are still watching cartoons, learning to read, tie their shoes and not crap their pants. I don't think you need to take much they say overly serious when it comes to how they feel about gender. That is so far beyond what they are capable of understanding that it should be completely ignored until they are considered adults. They can make that decision when they are 18ish but it's our responsibility to keep them from destroying themselves with stupid. You simply don't ask children to make adult decisions especially when it comes to something so severe as altering their bodies.
I can't even believe we are having to talk about such things and children having sex changes. Amazing that the even the president of the US can support such things. Society has seriously lost it's way.

Exactly and instead of addressing people who speak out about this kind of thing, twitter bans them and the left just resorts to the name calling because they know they are wrong, but its all about ideology. The left claiming they care, is often like enabling a drug addict. Sometimes care looks like telling the truth. Not affirming a non-truth.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Are you not talking about children here? These little people are still watching cartoons, learning to read, tie their shoes and not crap their pants. I don't think you need to take much they say overly serious when it comes to how they feel about gender. That is so far beyond what they are capable of understanding that it should be completely ignored until they are considered adults. They can make that decision when they are 18ish but it's our responsibility to keep them from destroying themselves with stupid. You simply don't ask children to make adult decisions especially when it comes to something so severe as altering their bodies.
I can't even believe we are having to talk about such things and children having sex changes. Amazing that the even the president of the US can support such things. Society has seriously lost it's way.

We are talking about children... and their PARENTS - who make the actual decisions... they are free to make the decisions for their children... or are you saying that adult citizens shouldn’t have the right to choose treatment for their children?

 

[Ohnooze]

We are talking about children... and their PARENTS - who make the actual decisions... they are free to make the decisions for their children... or are you saying that adult citizens shouldn’t have the right to choose treatment for their children?

I'm saying that no child should EVER have their bodies mutilated that way. How would a parent even begin to know if a child was trans? Because the kid feels like it? I have kids and they are like a different person week to week with hormones going berserk and everything else. You can't treat something that you don't know even exist. Damaging their bodies based on how they feel is nothing short of child abuse.

 

[Gezzer]

I've always wondered why some people feel that privately run forums (on-line or off) have to be held to the same standard as a governing body. They don't. There's no law stating that they have to promote "free speech" and are forbidden from censoring content.
There is always some level of censoring, and more importantly there should be. As for how much, that's for people using the service to decide. If the level isn't to your liking, don't use it. Simple as that.

It's in the same vein as the *****s attempting to storm Costco maskless screaming not letting them in is a violation of their "personal freedoms". True Libertarianism isn't about doing and saying whatever you want with no consequences. It's about having the right to choose with out government interference in making that choice.
If you want to be able to say whatever you want find a forum that allows that like 4chan, there's plenty of them out there. But stop trying to force anyone to give you you're own personal soap box. They have their own choices to be respected as well.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

I am absolutely certain there will be less freedom of speech if he buys it.

And why is that?

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Yes, everything and everyone you don't like or disagree with now gets labeled 'woke'. Reminds me back when the media started using the phrase 'fake news' to refer to actual fake news, only to be immediately co-opted by Trump and his cohorts to mean anything they don't like is fake news.

Fake news such as Russia collusion, Kyle Rittenhouse, Covington Catholic high school, Hunter's laptop,peaceful protest, etc, etc ... that fake news?

 

[Squid Surprise]

I'm saying that no child should EVER have their bodies mutilated that way. How would a parent even begin to know if a child was trans? Because the kid feels like it? I have kids and they are like a different person week to week with hormones going berserk and everything else. You can't treat something that you don't know even exist. Damaging their bodies based on how they feel is nothing short of child abuse.

So you've decided YOU know best for every child in the world... and that everyone else must be wrong... despite obviously not having experienced anything like this - or have any children who suffer from it either.

Got to love that attitude... but... maybe parents and doctors know a bit more about their kids than you?

 

[Ohnooze]

So you've decided YOU know best for every child in the world... and that everyone else must be wrong... despite obviously not having experienced anything like this - or have any children who suffer from it either.

Got to love that attitude... but... maybe parents and doctors know a bit more about their kids than you?

It's not possible for me to decide such things but logic and common sense should tell you that you don't alter a child's body based on how they feel about themselves when they are underage. Children have so many mixed feeling and emotions it's absolutely impossible to know for sure if they will feel the same as they get older. Honestly I think that if society wasn't hyper focused on trans issues it would never cross the minds of the vast majority of these kids. The problem with activism is that people lose all perspective and start pushing things from their overly obsessed view...trickles down to the kids in this case.
I wouldn't want to be that parent who gave a sex change to their child only for them to grow up and be like "WTF dad?".

 

[Squid Surprise]

It's not possible for me to decide such things

Maybe you should have simply stopped typing after your first 9 words...

 

[Ohnooze]

Maybe you should have simply stopped typing after your first 9 words...

So then we have a question of what should parents be allowed to do to their kids based on what they think is best for them. What about Islamic parents that mutilate female children's genitals. No idea how common that is but is it so different than what you're talking about? I mean how do you know what's best for their kids?

I find your reply kind of humorous considering the title of this particular article.
This is a forum...people voice opinions. Hopefully you don't think having a conversation about such topics is "hate speech".

 

[Squid Surprise]

So then we have a question of what should parents be allowed to do to their kids based on what they think is best for them. What about Islamic parents that mutilate female children's genitals. No idea how common that is but is it so different than what you're talking about? I mean how do you know what's best for their kids?

I find your reply kind of humorous considering the title of this particular article.
This is a forum...people voice opinions. Hopefully you don't think having a conversation about such topics is "hate speech".

If your nation DEMOCRATICALLY votes on giving people rights and freedoms... then who are YOU to take them away?

I have no problem with you voicing your thoughts... I am happy to debate - just keep the possibility that you might be wrong

 

[Ohnooze]

If your nation DEMOCRATICALLY votes on giving people rights and freedoms... then who are YOU to take them away?

I have no problem with you voicing your thoughts... I am happy to debate - just keep the possibility that you might be wrong

I'm pretty conservative but I'm not closed minded. I have given the reasons that I believe the way I do. If scientist can show me some kind of evidence (chromosomes or some such business) that contribute to this problem then I would like to see this information and would consider changing my view. I mean at that point it would be similar to any other medical condition. But again you don't physically change a child's body based on feelings alone imo.

 

[Squid Surprise]

I'm pretty conservative but I'm not closed minded. I have given the reasons that I believe the way I do. If scientist can show me some kind of evidence (chromosomes or some such business) that contribute to this problem then I would like to see this information and would consider changing my view. I mean at that point it would be similar to any other medical condition. But again you don't physically change a child's body based on feelings alone imo.

Well, there's certainly a lot to be said about a minimum age..

Should There Be a Minimum Age for Gender Transition? - Psychiatry Advisor

A highly publicized custody dispute in Texas has garnered attention from medical societies and policy makers alike.

www.psychiatryadvisor.com

In the end, whatever is decided needs to be a democratic process - not just a bunch of wackos saying "this is nonsense"...