cliffordcooley
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Lets backup and re-evaluate this comment abit. Everyone that does drugs, think they are above the law. That doesn't isolate Trump or Musk.
Elon Musk defies local orders by reopening Tesla factory, says he's ready to be arrested
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wiyosaya
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Well said.
It seems many making comments do not pay attention to what is happening in the world. For instance, there is this - https://www.forbes.com/sites/madhuk...get-deadlier-due-to-coronavirus/#3f4c3b87d2fc
And this - https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/12/rail-worker-47-dies-coronavirus-spat-passenger-12690172/
Wow! IMO, that's pretty extreme.
Pollution is down, world-wide, even without the deaths. For me, it is a clear indicator that humanity should rethink how it conducts business.
I agree about over consumption, however, obesity rates and dietary habits are a much better place, IMO, to look for a solution to the problem - which is the worst in developed countries - https://renewbariatrics.com/obesity-rank-by-countries/
How much food is thrown out in the US each year, for instance? 133 Billion pounds. Yes, 133 Billion pounds https://www.businessinsider.com/why-grocery-stores-throw-out-so-much-food-2014-10
Talk about waste and over-consumption.
Even if the deaths exceed 1-million world-wide, it will do little to ease the burden placed on the planet by people who think over-consumption is cool and wasting food is the best fad and status symbol since sliced bread.
Darth Shiv
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How so? Sure you can wipe out up to 10% infected if you stretch your hospitals past breaking point which the US has been doing. Fatalities when ICUs are saturated is very significantly increased. So let's be clear what you are saying is bullshit.
Next, herd immunity only applies if you gain immunity post infection. Covid has proven to mutate AND it is NOT proven you are immune even to the existing strains.
Herd immunity is basically advocating killing lots of people to keep the economy going. That is exactly what you mean when you say it and there is no vaccine. The US will have easily 100k dead soon and I wouldn't be surprised if it is well over 200k - opening up the economy will practically guarantee that.
I live in a city with strict iso, most retail businesses closed, high public service jobs %, extremely low fatalities, and single digits active infected. We know what saving lives is and means. If you are advocating opening the economy, I think you should sign a waiver for treatment when ICU beds are saturated because you don't value saving people's loved ones - why should they save you?
cliffordcooley
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My immune system is just as strong. If not stronger because I don't destroy my natural immunity with immunization shots. You can take the shots if you want to but it will not prevent you from getting sick. People are so gulable.
You know that doesn't make sense in any scientific medical way.
I avoid medicines where possible so my body fights naturally and does not build up a natural resistance to the medicines. When I need the medicines they will still work, think antibiotics.
But immunization invigorates anti-bodies to form. It does not have an effect of the virus its self. It's totally different.
cliffordcooley
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The day that happens I will for sure leave.
captaincranky
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I think they should lock Musky up and put him in prison wing loaded with covid patients. Maybe one of them will make him his b*tch, and give him a big, wet, French kiss.
Yet Tesla is the safest car in the world. Also has bio defense mode.
Mithan
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If he can keep his workers safe, I have no issues with this. If he takes a "who cares if they get sick" approach, then screw him.
No. NYC is #1 in this. Without NYC, the US is nowhere near that ranking.
captaincranky
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Well, if they lift the flaps on the Tesla tents to get some fresh air on the assembly line, it might work out OK.
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captaincranky
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You have to admit, the issue of Musk reopening Tesla, strongly intersects with the overall spread of the disease, and the reopening of the country in general.
Musk is after all, proclaiming he knows more than the CDC, NIH, and local health officials.
Then there's his, "I don't care if they lock me up", announcing his supposed volunteer status for "faux-martyrdom"
If they did lock him up, wouldn't a press conference about it, make a glorious public pity party for "poor Elon".
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So you will note that leeway was given to some off topic but after a warning, no.
captaincranky
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Metaphorically speaking, a cop sees a car driving the wrong way up a one way street. He says to the guy, "didn't you see the arrow"? To which the man replies, "I didn't see the Indians either".
Erstwhile I'm wondering if the Alameda County Jail, has a runway next to it that would accommodate Musk's private jet.
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captaincranky
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This pertains to the topic, if only in a humorous, some would say, "sarcastic", way.
All the data shows is it's spread very quickly in densly populated states and countries, the lockdown is clearly slowing the spread to other states such as California, by lifting the lockdown California could be the next hot spot of infections due to its large population. Musk is being Naive, unless he's got sanitory stations and masks for his workers then it's a massive risk. The guy think's he's so clever because he's a billionaire but he's not a Virus specialist so he needs to pipe down and listen to the actual scientists and politicians that are using that data.
MaXtor
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Following studies and listening to doctors on the front line. The data does not support the lockdown. Although it is becoming increasingly difficult to pull up any data that runs counter to the WHO, as it's censored on social media, Google, and ignored by mainstream media (or taken out of context and used to fear monger). I should have compiled a list. I guess I'm stuck with what is still easily pulled up in Google and has yet to be censored.
The CDC's guidelines are to designate everything and anything a COVID-19 death, clearly we're going to see scary numbers. Read the last paragraph:
Couple that with hospitals being monetarily incentivised to mark patients as having COVID-19, it makes for quite the conflict of interest.
Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators
Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients with COVID-19, but a senator who first said that says he doesn't think the system is being gamed.
www.usatoday.com
Data from all over the world shows at least 10 to even 85 times more people have been infected. Without factoring in the inflated deaths from the CDC's guidance, that makes the fatality rate drastically lower. At worst, similar to a severe flu season.
US, 28 to 55 times more infections: https://pressroom.usc.edu/preliminary-results-of-usc-la-county-covid-19-study-released/
Canada, 12 to 18 times more infections: https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/covid-1...-than-we-think-montreal-researchers-1.4920269
"The numbers told a shocking story: irrespective of whether the country quarantined like Israel, or went about business as usual like Sweden, coronavirus peaked and subsided in the exact same way. In the exact, same, way."
Israeli Professor Shows Virus Follows Fixed Pattern
Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel of Tel Aviv University, who also serves on the research and development advisory board for Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, plotted the rates of new coronavirus infections of the U.S., U.K., Sweden, Italy, Israel, Switzerland, France, Germany, and Spain.
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From a study of 780 confirmed COVID-19 cases, less than 2% of those who died had normal vitamin D levels. But lets lock people up inside and have them avoid sunlight.
Dr Vladimir Zelenoko in NY has treated 1450 COVID-19 patients. Using his regimen of hydrocloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc, only 2 of his patients died. The complete 3 ingredient treatment is important, and while his treatment is now going through an FDA double blind study, I believe his results speak for themselves. Many doctors and now countries are following his treatment. Rather than waiting for the results of a long study, we should be implementing his treatment.
The fake news media pushing an agenda:
I'd also recommend researching the severe effect a single percentage increase of unemployment has on overall mortality rates (37,000 in 1981 with only a population of 230M).
Is unemployment really as deadly as coronavirus?
If Trump opens up the economy, there could be a spike in cases of coronavirus and a rise in deaths unless there is some medical breakthrough. Already, 41,000 people are reported to have died from t…
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There's a handful of links to hopefully encourage people do their own research. I'm not going to push any further. No one is ever convinced of anything, people have to research and discover things on their own.
Good for musk, his workers need to eat, and no a company shouldn't pay employees that arnt working, pay is based on what you offer the company, sitting at home playing your Xbox brings nothing to the company paying you. I say good for him, I'd also instruct my security to close the gates and not allow any police to come past the gate without a warrant applicable for the property.
California is killing it's residents and making them homeless, so good on musk saying enough is enough.
California is killing it's residents and making them homeless, so good on musk saying enough is enough.
captaincranky
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Well, this reply is off topic and will likely be removed. But, I'm 71, yet have no trouble digesting dairy products. Vitamin D as added to all milks in the US, for those of us who don't get out much, and want to avoid skin cancer.
As it stands, "sun poisoning", is thought to have at least some component of vitamin D overdose involved.. It it toxic in large doses. Suffice it to say, you can't swallow a half bottle of it like you can Vitamin C, which only gives we Americans the most expensive urine in the world.
So, "go out and get some sun", could be construed to be good advice. OTOH, since a few people were moved to drink bleach at the presidents mention of it, I imagine some people would take "get some sun" to the extreme.as well.
As for Musk, he'll likely try to talk the fed out of money to give his workers PPE, and for work space modifications.
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wiyosaya
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Not according to this - https://www.digitaltrends.com/news/california-becerra-attorney-general-tesla-factory-enforcement/
Musky will lose. SCOTUS has already set precedent and SCOTUS could care less who Musky is.
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