EVGA and Zotac join others in raising the price of their graphics cards

[kapital98]

So a console is the proper way to go this round.

Oh well.

Unfortunately, consoles are facing the same problem. They had the 25% tariff applied to them as well. To be clear: A tariff is a tax on the consumer. It doesn't add anything to profit to the company and it doesn't help the exporting nation at all.

So, right now, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo have all essentially stopped importing their consoles into the US and are focusing on foreign markets.

The scalping prices of consoles, as should be expected, has been rising rapidly for the last 5 days. Just as they were finally going down.

 

[Stingy McDuck]

I had to stalk Microcenter waiting for deliveries.

They do get deliveries, completely unannounced every week, with 3000 series cards, but ya gotta basically live near one and check them every single day.

Great, to beat scalpers you have turn into a stalker LOL.

 

[NicktheWVAHick]

Ha,ha.....looks like the $2,600 I paid my scalper for a 3090 last fall was a real bargain after all!!!!!

 

[Gastec]

<< To all my pascal gamer friends, it is safe to upgrade now >>

So sayeth the man in the leather jacket.

"The moar you upgrade, the moar I profit."

 

[brucek]

So a console is the proper way to go this round.

GamersNexus did an interesting piece the other day where they took 3 games available on the PS5 and tried to find the desktop PC components that provided the closest match as to performance delivered. That match ended up as a lower end CPU (he went with 3300X) and either the Nvidia 1060, 1070, or 1080 (depending on game/scenario.) Point being that if "PS5 Performance" is your end goal, you may already have it.

 

[terzaerian]

So a console is the proper way to go this round.

Oh well.

Oh no you might have to buy a used card, gasp

How will you ever survive

 

[MilwaukeeMike]

This month, we heard that the Trump administration was imposing a 25 percent tax on graphics cards imported from China...
The taxes have exacerbated a market already suffering from supply shortages

I know we have to get a Trump shot into every story, but this is exactly backwards. Making something more expensive doesn't cause supply shortages. When something costs more, people buy fewer of them and there are more available. If new iPhones cost $5,000 do you think the stores would run out?

 

[PEnnn]

But but but Trump told his adoring sheep that "China will pay for the tariffs!" and they believed him.

He couldn't have been lying, again!!

 

[terzaerian]

Uh huh, sure, it's the tariffs

The fact the Fed pumped over 20% of all dollars ever made into the world economy last year has nothing to do with this

Don't get me wrong, they're BOTH Trump's fault, but some people here are in denial in favor of parroting their favorite talking points

 

[condelio]

This tariff trade war excuse is going to be used for the entire world, it's not just in the US that the prices are getting even higher than they already are... this is beyond stupid.

These companies won't get any money from me for these products with their scalper prices!

it's funny to see this piece of news today, as the same day Asus announced price raises in USA, in Argentina we already saw Zotac cards go up almost 50% for a 3070 and Evga 3080´s go up 66% more. I had luck (and feared the worst) so I hurried up and was able to catch a 3070 twin edge oc (couldn´t justify myself the christmas price increases for 3080s) on time, but couldn´t grab a 3060ti for my brother. Some 3060tis here are now almost at 3080´s prices.

 

[punctualturn]

GamersNexus did an interesting piece the other day where they took 3 games available on the PS5 and tried to find the desktop PC components that provided the closest match as to performance delivered. That match ended up as a lower end CPU (he went with 3300X) and either the Nvidia 1060, 1070, or 1080 (depending on game/scenario.) Point being that if "PS5 Performance" is your end goal, you may already have it.

Per Reddit comments, they found this video flawed.

it was on reddit, need to find it, but not sure if linking that back here is allowed.

edit check the comments and mods, if this is not allowed, please remove:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/krz33w

 

[punctualturn]

Oh no you might have to buy a used card, gasp

How will you ever survive

Actually, was lucky and got a Series X, so im set for this gpu apocalypse.

 

[punctualturn]

it's funny to see this piece of news today, as the same day Asus announced price raises in USA, in Argentina we already saw Zotac cards go up almost 50% for a 3070 and Evga 3080´s go up 66% more. I had luck (and feared the worst) so I hurried up and was able to catch a 3070 twin edge oc (couldn´t justify myself the christmas price increases for 3080s) on time, but couldn´t grab a 3060ti for my brother. Some 3060tis here are now almost at 3080´s prices.

So, do they sell AMD gpus there or you are one of those that have fallen for the marketing bs from nvidia?

 

[loki1944]

GamersNexus did an interesting piece the other day where they took 3 games available on the PS5 and tried to find the desktop PC components that provided the closest match as to performance delivered. That match ended up as a lower end CPU (he went with 3300X) and either the Nvidia 1060, 1070, or 1080 (depending on game/scenario.) Point being that if "PS5 Performance" is your end goal, you may already have it.

In that case if you have a 780Ti/980/980Ti/290X/390X/Fury you may already have it.

 

[brucek]

Some interesting points in that Reddit thread, although I felt the temperature was dialed up more than necessary. And perhaps it somewhat reflects different sensibilities from primarily console gamers vs primarily PC gamers.

One big gripe seemed to be making the comparison point a high frame rate, lower resolution target. Many seemed to feel the PS5 was CPU bound in that scenario, and that the matched GPUs would've been higher spec had the target been say 4K / 30fps instead. I'd be interested to see that video too, and then it'd be up to individual tastes as to which scenario to put more weight on. (for me personally, I'm not looking to return to 30 fps ever.)

The other common theme is "these weren't native ps5 titles". I don't get that, of course the PS5 is the superior (only) option for running exclusives, and beyond that if you're going to try to match titles you need ones that run well on both console and PC. I do believe we'll see developers take better advantage of the ps5 architecture over time, although of course we'll also see pc hardware improve and/or get less expensive over time too.

 

[Kosmoz]

Per Reddit comments, they found this video flawed.

it was on reddit, need to find it, but not sure if linking that back here is allowed.

edit check the comments and mods, if this is not allowed, please remove:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/krz33w

Agreed, deeply flawed comparison by GN. A $500 PC is not even close to PS5 hardware capabilities. I would say not even a $1000 one is (today)...

Old gen game engines semi-upgraded to next gen are not the same as fully developed game engines to take advantage of the PS5's entire capabilities... Let's wait at least 1 or 2 years before we do this comparison.

 

[brucek]

Let's wait at least 1 or 2 years before we do this comparison.

I'm all for updating the comparison in 1 or 2 years (on both the console and PC sides, because both will have changed), but what's wrong with comparing what exists today?

People seem overly bent out of shape in that thread, perhaps because they're trying to defend an existing decision. I took it in the spirit intended -- if you already have a PC, how much of an upgrade does the PS5 potentially bring you, today? That obviously depends on the games you play and the way you configure them, but I see nothing wrong with the limited data presented. More titles under more configurations would be great next steps for those interested.

For those of us who have not yet found our current gen GPU upgrade, I also found the anti-marketing message calming. There was lots of argument over whether the match should be say a 1070 vs a 2070, but I didn't see anyone claiming it was a 3070. For many of us with decent gear from prior generations, we may not be missing out yet.

 

[Shadowboxer]

Nope, no corporate collusion there. Just ask any apologist for unbridled capitalism.

Without capitalism these products simply would not exist. They are absolute luxury items created for personal profit. And in every alternative system to capitalism I’ve seen, both personal luxury and profits are removed from individuals.

 

[BKthrowaway]

Are these price hikes specific to the US, or global?

 

[loki1944]

I'm all for updating the comparison in 1 or 2 years (on both the console and PC sides, because both will have changed), but what's wrong with comparing what exists today?

People seem overly bent out of shape in that thread, perhaps because they're trying to defend an existing decision. I took it in the spirit intended -- if you already have a PC, how much of an upgrade does the PS5 potentially bring you, today? That obviously depends on the games you play and the way you configure them, but I see nothing wrong with the limited data presented. More titles under more configurations would be great next steps for those interested.

For those of us who have not yet found our current gen GPU upgrade, I also found the anti-marketing message calming. There was lots of argument over whether the match should be say a 1070 vs a 2070, but I didn't see anyone claiming it was a 3070. For many of us with decent gear from prior generations, we may not be missing out yet.

Exactly.

 

[Ludak021]

When your customers are conformists with money, you can do this.

You agreed this was fine. I bought used cards in protest...

 

[loki1944]

When your customers are conformists with money, you can do this.

You agreed this was fine. I bought used cards in protest...

Exactly; they only do this because people are willing to pay.

 

[Avro Arrow]

So a console is the proper way to go this round.

Oh well.

Or just keep using the card that you have. Hell, while my RX 5700 XT was getting an RMA job, I was playing Godfall on an old R9 Fury. It still looked good and still played well. The key to happiness isn't about getting what you want, it's about enjoying what you already have.

Man, some people just can’t let go of their Soviet ternary calculators!

I don't know if you're joking or not. If you are, that's hilarious.

If you're not, that rhetoric doesn't change what's going on right now, something that the Soviets had nothing to do with. Hiding your head in the sand with meaningless quips doesn't make the situation better, it just keeps the situation as bad as it is.

 

[punctualturn]

I'm all for updating the comparison in 1 or 2 years (on both the console and PC sides, because both will have changed), but what's wrong with comparing what exists today?

People seem overly bent out of shape in that thread, perhaps because they're trying to defend an existing decision. I took it in the spirit intended -- if you already have a PC, how much of an upgrade does the PS5 potentially bring you, today? That obviously depends on the games you play and the way you configure them, but I see nothing wrong with the limited data presented. More titles under more configurations would be great next steps for those interested.

For those of us who have not yet found our current gen GPU upgrade, I also found the anti-marketing message calming. There was lots of argument over whether the match should be say a 1070 vs a 2070, but I didn't see anyone claiming it was a 3070. For many of us with decent gear from prior generations, we may not be missing out yet.

The reality is, buy it if you really need it

Example, I play very few games and none of them really requires the latest and greatest GPU. So the Series X and my old GTX970 are more than enough for me.

Another point, the fact that both the PS5 and Series X comes with SSD's and do take advantage of them, is a valid excuse for many to upgrade right away. In my case, I had a One X and the loading times on old games went up exponentially, which didnt really happen with just swapping the laptop drive that came with for a SSD.

The complaints on those comments are indeed valid, that video was simply to get likes and eyeballs, but it was flawed.
Then again, that dude has for a while now, posted many videos which paint AMD on a negative way, so take that as you wish.
Personally, I stopped following him.

Lastly, going back to my first sentence, buy what you need.

Unless you went for a 4k monitor or tv (which places you in a minority, according to the Steam survey) and the game you want doesnt run, then yes, go wild.

As far as I can tell, the only game right now that demands that much is Cyberpunk and thats assuming that nvidia marketing got you by the short hairs with the RT nonsense.

I call RT nonsense because the reality is, we are easily 2 generations away from having capable hardware that can run that crap at 4K and be reasonable priced (FU Nvidia for insulting us by asking 1500 for that stupid gpu)

For many of us with decent gear from prior generations, we may not be missing out yet.

Doesnt apply to you? then move on and enjoy what you have.

 

[punctualturn]

Or just keep using the card that you have. Hell, while my RX 5700 XT was getting an RMA job, I was playing Godfall on an old R9 Fury. It still looked good and still played well. The key to happiness isn't about getting what you want, it's about enjoying what you already have.

I

I am happy with what I have.

I havent touched a PC for gaming in a while, thanks to the highway robbery that was the 20 series and the current impossibility of getting anything from AMD to replace my gtx970.

Dont get me wrong, I wish I could upgrade, because I want to play with GamerOS, but its not really a big deal, since I dont have the time to game that much and the Series X is giving me what I need.