Florida bans children under 14 from holding social media accounts

[Endymio]

We have spent extensive amounts of resources educating people on the dangers of [alcohol and tobacco] alongside banning them from minors… it’s also much easier to enforce… did it work? Is our society better? I’ll leave that to future generations to judge.

Are you seriously arguing society isn't the better for preventing 12 year olds from chain-smoking while downing vodka shots?

 

[Squid Surprise]

Are you seriously arguing society isn't the better for preventing 12 year olds from chain-smoking while downing vodka shots?

When were our 12-year-olds doing that? Were our rules truly necessary in “stopping it”?

Again, I’ll leave that to future generations to make that judgement…

 

[Endymio]

When were our 12-year-olds doing that? [smoking]

In Europe from the 1600s, and even earlier in parts of Asia, and extensive alcohol consumption by minors -- even down to the age of toddlers -- has an even longer history. In the US, laws banning smoking by minors didn't appear until the 1950s. Did you honestly not know this?

Were our rules truly necessary in “stopping it”?

Yes.

Again, I’ll leave that to future generations to make that judgement…

Don't skate around the edge of the pond; jump right in. Are laws banning consumption of addictive drugs by minors useful or not?

 

[Squid Surprise]

In Europe from the 1600s, and even earlier in parts of Asia, and extensive alcohol consumption by minors -- even down to the age of toddlers -- has an even longer history. In the US, laws banning smoking by minors didn't appear until the 1950s. Did you honestly not know this?


Yes.


Don't skate around the edge of the pond; jump right in. Are laws banning consumption of addictive drugs by minors useful or not?

No… I asked when kids 12 and under were chain smoking and drinking vodka shots…

Don’t be disingenuous- my point was that banning children from social media is DIFFERENT from banning children from alcohol and tobacco.

 

[Endymio]

No… I asked when kids 12 and under were chain smoking and drinking vodka shots…

And I answered -- for most of the last several hundred years. Is history no longer taught in schools?

Don’t be disingenuous- my point was that banning children from social media is DIFFERENT from banning children from alcohol and tobacco.

How so? Both are highly addictive activities that have been shown to be harmful to young, developing children.

 

[Squid Surprise]

And I answered -- for most of the last several hundred years. Is history no longer taught in schools?


How so? Both are highly addictive activities that have been shown to be harmful to young, developing children.

Show some evidence of children chain smoking while doing vodka shots - that’s not the same as abusing alcohol or cigarettes!!

And the difference- as I stated already - is the ability to enforce. A physical substance can be restricted far easier to youths - photo ID and penalties for serving to minors are fairly decent (obviously nothing is perfect)…
Also, these laws coincided with extensive education in schools, via advertising, news, etc…

On the other hand, banning minors from social media (and anything else on the internet) is far more difficult as it’s virtually impossible to say who’s actually using a device.

And there has been virtually no education or advertising to coincide with this “ban”… so it will be useless.

 

[Endymio]

Show some evidence of children chain smoking while doing vodka shots

Would you like me to prove water is wet and the sun hot as well? Seriously, what happened to history classes in school? As just one of countless millions of primary historical referents, Dickens himself wrote of children as young as eight and nine frequenting the gin shops of London, and artist George Cruikshank created many prints illustrating small children frequenting these bars, such as this:

Countless other diaries, historical articles, personal letters, and the like paint a similar picture. It took me all of thirty seconds to find an 1883 letter to the editor in The Spectator magazine, detailing a mother who fed her infant daughter primarily on "nips of gin".

Tobacco use was as common, stemming from the 17th century belief that tobacco had medicinal properties (it was even purported to prevent the Plague). Historian Pepys writes of tobacco use by young children, and the British Navy of the 18th and 19th century issued a tobacco ration to even their youngest sailors (cabin boys often began at age 10).

On the other hand, banning minors from social media (and anything else on the internet) is far more difficult as it’s virtually impossible to say who’s actually using a device.

You have it backwards. Once alcohol or cigarettes leave a shop, it's impossible to determine who'll actually consume them. But social media accounts are registered to a specific person and. If a minor uses that account to upload images of themself or send messages, that creates a permanent record, and one easily trackable. How many adults are willing to risk a felony charge to allow that?

 

[Squid Surprise]

Would you like me to prove water is wet and the sun hot as well? Seriously, what happened to history classes in school? As just one of countless millions of primary historical referents, Dickens himself wrote of children as young as eight and nine frequenting the gin shops of London, and artist George Cruikshank created many prints illustrating small children frequenting these bars, such as this:

Countless other diaries, historical articles, personal letters, and the like paint a similar picture. It took me all of thirty seconds to find an 1883 letter to the editor in The Spectator magazine, detailing a mother who fed her infant daughter primarily on "nips of gin".

Tobacco use was as common, stemming from the 17th century belief that tobacco had medicinal properties (it was even purported to prevent the Plague). Historian Pepys writes of tobacco use by young children, and the British Navy of the 18th and 19th century issued a tobacco ration to even their youngest sailors (cabin boys often began at age 10).

You have it backwards. Once alcohol or cigarettes leave a shop, it's impossible to determine who'll actually consume them. But social media accounts are registered to a specific person and. If a minor uses that account to upload images of themself or send messages, that creates a permanent record, and one easily trackable. How many adults are willing to risk a felony charge to allow that?

Again, you are avoiding the point - and again, that’s not chainsmoking while doing shots of vodka… and an article by Dickens (whose fame is for writing FICTION), wouldn’t count as evidence either way.

And it’s very easy for a child to make multiple social media accounts - as it is for adults - you don’t have to post your own photos on them either… it’s pretty easy to take a photo of ANY adult (or simply do a google image search) to make a profile pic…

Yes, kids can still get alcohol - but they generally have to get it from a consenting adult…

Social media account ? They can make one in 30 seconds without anyone’s permission.

 

[Endymio]

Social media account ? They can make one in 30 seconds without anyone’s permission.

Did you not read the law? Creating a social media account in Florida will now require a third party age verification check.

...an article by Dickens (whose fame is for writing FICTION), wouldn’t count as evidence either way.

I'm not wasting further time proving the law of gravity to you. Historical references abound. The nice thing about facts is that they remain true, no matter how they're denied.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Did you not read the law? Creating a social media account in Florida will now require a third party age verification check.

Oh… in that case… 60 seconds… those can be faked pretty easily too…

 

[texasrattler]

That would be my point…. LOTS of things have occurred at around the same time social media began… what evidence do we have that the “rottenness of society” is social media’s fault? Obviously I’m not blaming Jurassic Park…

I just making a joke.