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For Geniuses – Strange Problem

Discussion in 'Storage and Networking' started by reflect, Jan 22, 2007.

  1. SNGX1275 TS Special Forces Posts: 11,893   +117

    Man sorry to hear that. Do you treat these things bad? Move them a lot when they are spinning?

    Well regardless to your answers to that, there are some ways you can attempt to get data off the drives, but I don't have much knowledge. Perhaps one of the other guys in this thread can give you some advice on that. I'd suggest a forum search on data recovery in the meantime, I know there are tons of threads involving that subject.

    I agree this is pretty odd (like I said in my first post) that all 3 would go bad, but it shouldn't have anything to do with your computer, the only link is a usb/firewire cable. It may be possible you are getting bad power to your drives from their power supplies, but I don't think there is any way you can blame a computer for the failures.
  2. Tmagic650 TS Ambassador Posts: 18,749   +62

    I agree SNGX1275,
    this is just too wierd... 3 Maxtor drives bad. What are the odds??? All the possible tests have been done. Are all the drives the same capacity or model?
  3. reflect Newcomer, in training Posts: 21

    lol, no I keep them as still as possible. I haven't even touched one of the drives before two days ago. It's the wierdest thing I've EVER encountered. I should be getting a new drive in tomorrow. If this one f's up when I plug it in, I'm going to go nuts....
  4. mikescorpio81 Newcomer, in training Posts: 574

    Try running an xcopy through a cmd shell.
    Something like this (below); it will not stop even if errors exist.

    The >C:\copyresults.txt is a piped text file from the copy so you can see what it got and what it missed. Replace the drive letters and paths as needed.

    xcopy E:\*.* F:\Files-from-E-Drive /h /i /s /c /e /r /k /y >C:\Copyresults.txt

    Make sure the folder exists on the drive you are copying to (eg: Files-From-E-Drive).

    Let us know how you go :grinthumb
  5. raybay TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 10,720   +6

    Even on the Maxtor, it is fairly simple (if you have a good fourth drive) to install the maxtors, one at a time, as slave drives, then drag and drop all the data to the good drive.
    It is also easy to use data recovery programs to copy the data on the bad Maxtor to the good drive...
    Be advised that you must not turn off the Maxtor until all data is transferred, because you do not know when it will never work again.
  6. jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 12,225   +121

    point the finger at the failing component --> MAXSTOR

    too late now, but ALWAYS low-level-format a new device with at least two full passes
    before you commit to storing data on it.

    btw: are you Overclocked at all?
     
  7. Tmagic650 TS Ambassador Posts: 18,749   +62

    Low-level formatting comes in handy, but it's not really necessary in most cases. These 3 bad Maxtors could probably use it though
  8. raybay TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 10,720   +6

    Are the Three Maxtors similar as far as models and product ID]s go? How old are they...
    Doubt that the computer could cause the failures, but the power supply could possible do so... Rather think it is a cooincidence... as so many Maxtor drives used in Gateway and Dell went bad before they sold out to Seagate.
    Get a Seagate with the five year warranty, and forget about worrying.
  9. Tmagic650 TS Ambassador Posts: 18,749   +62

    I asked this same question a few posts back... I have 3 Seagate drives that were replaced under the 5-year warranty in my system right now
  10. reflect Newcomer, in training Posts: 21

    mikescorpio- The drives are C:/ and F:/....and I have a folder on my SATA that's called "olddrive" let me make sure I have this right?

    I have the Ultimate Windows Boot disk(is that a cmd shell), which has the "unstoppable copy" program on it, but it wouldn't read the drive. Or do you mean the command prompt?

    So I should put

    xcopy F:\*.* C:\olddrive>C:\Copyresults.txt

    I'm bad with coding...lol, but let me know if that's what you mean. Also, I don't know what the individual files are called, I have tons of files on the disk.

    raybay - I can't access the drive as a slave, it freezes my system. Also, I put it back in the USB and did a file recovery on it by diskdoctor. It froze the system. I also tried Disk Image, and a few other cloning programs. They either won't read the drive or I get a no volume error.

    joebeard - How do you low-level format? I just used disk management to format the drives when I first installed them. Also, no, I'm underclocked actually.

    raybay - Nope, different model numbers and bought almost 1 year apart.....I'm ONLY buying SEAGATE drives now....lol
  11. mikescorpio81 Newcomer, in training Posts: 574

    Command prompt - command shell ... same thing :)

    Go to START - RUN - Type: cmd (hit ENTER)
    A black box (cmd prompt) should appear, and in this screen type the following:

    xcopy F:\olddrive C:\Files-From-F-Drive /h /i /s /c /e /r /k /y >C:\Copyresults.txt
    If you have more files outside the "olddrives folder, replace olddrives with *.* (it will get everything on there ... hidden or not).

    Before you run this make sure you create a folder in the root of C: called "Files-From-F-Drive".

    If the xcopy does not work, and gives you an error such as "invalid parameters" try it again with the line in inverted commas. I wrote the line in a way though so if you copied it and pasted it in the cmd shell it will run due to no spaces. You need the switches that I have written after it (/h /i /s, etc).

    Copy the entire line and paste it in a cmd prompt. It will work, although it will only copy what it can ... anything else suggests either disk errors or corrupt data table. For that you would need to schedule a chkdsk -f -r in a cmd prompt on F:, but this may or may not delete files.

    Do this by going ot START - RUN - Type: cmd (hit ENTER) type the following:
    F:
    chkdsk /f /r

    I have attached a text file. Simply save the text file as xcopy-script.bat and double-click it if you are unsure how to run it (edit the batch file once renamed and check to see I'm not doing anything incriminating!).

    Good luck and plz let us know how you go :grinthumb

    BTW: Western Digital is a HDD brand I swear by (if you got the $$$, buy a Raptor!)
  12. foozy Newcomer, in training Posts: 267

    Thats a pretty neat sript - so you can copy all non-corrupted files from a crashed hard drive as long as the destination drive works?
  13. mikescorpio81 Newcomer, in training Posts: 574

    Yer it's good when your disk has bad sectors and/or corrupt data table. The drive still needs to show up in Windows and be assigned a drive letter (online).
    I always pipe a text file to the root of C: so you can see what it did/didn't copy.

    Got me out of trouble many times!

    IF you want a more robust copier than xcopy, download the Windows Resources Tool Kit and play with robocopy.
  14. Samstoned TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,582

    my two pence
    the enclosures are over heating the drives
    don't set them on top of machine
    enclosures supply power to the drives if erratic (cheap) this can cook motor :chef:
    I'm bored need data recovery PM me
  15. reflect Newcomer, in training Posts: 21

    I got an invalid parameters error when I tried it. I also tried check disk and it didn't work either. The drive seems to be stuck and not spinning I think.

    Samstoned - The externals have fans and are high-quality. I sure hope they're not overheating the drives if that is the case...
  16. SNGX1275 TS Special Forces Posts: 11,893   +117

    If they have fans they certainly wouldn't overheat unless you are just having them constantly thrash all day. I've got a 500 gig in an enclosure with no fan, and its not getting too hot. Well I'm sure someone on these forums would say its too hot, but those are the same people that think anything above 90F is too hot for anything.
  17. mikescorpio81 Newcomer, in training Posts: 574

    If the drive is not showing in Windows then you cant run the copy. You get an invalid parameters if you didn't create the folder in C: or if the path is different.

    Copy this: "xcopy F:\*.* C:\Files-From-F-Drive /h /i /s /c /e /r /k /y >C:\Copyresults.txt" and make sure you create a folder in C: called: Files-From-F-Drive BEFOREHAND
  18. reflect Newcomer, in training Posts: 21


    The drive shows up in windows, but I can't get to it on my 160GB

    The 300GB shows up in windows and I can access it, but can't copy or open anything on the drive.

    I did create a folder on the C drive before hand. I tested out xcopy by using my CD rom drive...worked perfectly.

    I tried it on the 160GB got an invalid parameters error

    I tried it on the 300GB - started to copy files, then the drive hung and the activity light stayed lit, but the drive wasn't doing anything. The cmd prompt just kept blinking, but nothing was being copied (I waited 10 minutes, as it was stuck on a 35 meg file through USB 2.0)

    Is all very strange, the 300GB drive is spinning, the 160GB drive spins, then clicks, then spins, then clicks(the click sounds like it's thinking) and this continues on and on forever...
  19. mikescorpio81 Newcomer, in training Posts: 574

    How do you know it wasn't copying anything? Did you check inside the filder or read the text file? You can open the text file during the copy but do not save the changes when you close it.
    The cmd prompt will just sit there until it is finished, looking like its doing nothing. If you add /f to the xcopy line, you will see the file names and paths as it copies.

    The clicking noise is worrying ...
  20. reflect Newcomer, in training Posts: 21

    I opened the folder and looked at the files and the folder size. The folder wasn't getting any bigger, and no files were being added, and the file it was on was 35 megs. Shouldn't take 10 mins....or will it take longer if it's a bad sector?