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FSF launches anti-Windows 7 assault

By Matthew
Aug 26, 2009
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  1. JDoors

    JDoors TS Rookie Posts: 62

    Do they actually believe a letter might sway a company to ditch Windows? No way. Like other groups addicted to or obsessed with a "cause," they are just stirring the pot to increase their visibility. I guess if it gets the attention of others who are susceptible to and willing to join them it's worth their time and money (money from other cult members and hangers-on, which is then used exclusively for recruiting even MORE cult members ...).
  2. FREEDOM IS: the freedom of pick any operating system. Like... let's say, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, or even any of the Microsoft's. So... what's the deal? the guys at MS did a good job with Windows 7, why Stallman is so worried about?
  3. maestromasada

    maestromasada TS Rookie Posts: 97

    THE "EIGHT" SINS OF THE OPEN SOFTWARE
    1. Education: my vga card never worked with earlier distro version, yeath they have improved now but I'm scare to death everytime I change the resolution on Mandriva during installation: if it goes blank this is it, you have to re-install again.
    2.DRM; Never, ever got a video movie playing on linux, and guess what... you right, sound driver don't work, or when it does freezes the system. Happens with SUSE and RedHat on a Dell D400.
    3.Security; yeath, so secure I can't even access my own files, so secure that it takes you half an hour to install a new version of flash player!!
    4.Monopoly; diversity, so confusing! mandrake, turbolinux, madriva, suse, which one of them work? turn it on and work??? And waht about Dreamwever CSx? can't be install on Linux! ?With me Wine never worked.
    5.standards. i lose them all. Let me just bust all my furstraxion with linux and relatives in this lovely forum. It could be a good OS, but it isn't, and annoys me when people say:"" Oh, you crap M$, be cool and swap to Linux"! What for?? Who paid is in rest! = I paid for M$ so no worries with capabilities.
    6.Lock in/out = same applies to linux: if I change my pst file to KMail, I am now lock in with KMail, a software free, cool, but with no support and that can change next month at the free will of developers.
    7.privacy; don't know the blxxdy code of linux at all, how do I know if somebody has access my linux box over the network??? what happens if ssh is enable and somebody get access to your files, where do you see it? Where a re the system logs!!! BOOOMM!!
    8.Money; ok, linux is NOT free, I have spent lots of time with many distros, and the only thing useful is the buble and the penguim games
    My good advice to Win7sins.org: don't take it with poor BGates, he's sad and now retired. Improve yourself before to take it on others, showing that windows is bad doesn't make you any better.
    My good advice to Linux lovers: please raise your hands is you are reading this under linux, had the system install for more than 3 months, only goes to windows once a week and does not work as a programmer????
  4. Somian asked about easy-to-use Linux distros; the first one I found that easily installed on my older hardware was Ubuntu 8.10. It detected ALL of my hardware, including the d-Link USB wireless network adapter. Ubuntu also installed the correct device drivers, so I was up and running in a very short time. Linux can be a good solution for making older hardware useful while becoming more user-friendly all the time.
  5. Linux COULD BE a good OS for every days use, But, its NOT!

    The only place a Linux is good for is Netbooks and server, thats it. It will take another 5-10 years for it to becomes main stream in desktop PC's.
  6. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,684   +882

    The new Ubuntu 9.04 is even better. The HDD detection sees the drives when you have the BIOS set to run SATA as IDE. The earlier distros had trouble with this, kept asking for SATA drivers, and I was unsucessful at using them on newer boards, even attempting a live run.

    I'm not sure what the fuss is about the install. Ubuntu installs as easily as XP, but with more flexibility in creating partitions. About a dozen clicks Yo, and you're done. No command line stunts either.
  7. paynetrain007

    paynetrain007 TS Rookie Posts: 86

    Ya... I'm SURE they mean well... I know I can send out 50 letters for less than $25
  8. shossofe

    shossofe TS Member Posts: 49

    hahaha.
    Of course.
    It doesn't matter what the hell they want. I don't see any reason on why companies should use Linux over Windows 7. Linux isn't that user friendly in my own opinion. It would save them money, but wouldn't it be a pain in the *** for them to install all the stuff they want?
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Linux. I have Fedora nicely installed into my computer atm. But still, I would rather spend a few clicks installing Microsoft word/excel/power point, than to type several lines of codes to "hope" the install works. But, I'm still new to Linux so it may just be because I don't know how to use it.
  9. Morons.

    I'm all for Open Source, but at the end of the day, thank god we have entrepreneurs who build and grow companies, bring us new products and capabilities, and create jobs. I don't mind paying Bill Gates a chunk of change every so often for all he has created. Nor Steve Jobs (even though I really don't like him or Apple too much).

    And by the way, there are millions of people in Africa who are pretty happy Bill made a fortune and is now generously sharing it with them through his foundation, to the betterment of their lives.
  10. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,285   +232

    Well, great enthusiasm, but misdirected targets... People have been trying to make Linux more mainstream friendly for ages, the problem is that (relatively) nobody hears about it.
    Here's an analogy: you create a great new power distribution system for hydrogen cars, so hey it should take off like gangbusters... Oh, what's that, there's hardly any hydrogen powered cars on the road? Everyone is using gasoline cars? But but but, my stuff is cool, everyone should use it, LOOK AT MEEEEEE!!! <insert sounds of crickets chirping while new product goes unnoticed and fails miserably>
    The problem isn't the Linux community, the problem is everyone ELSE. Get some big developers to turn towards Linux and get a little push behind it, and things could turn quickly. But that won't happen, they cater to the mighty 2 (MS and Apple) because that is where the money is. Even the great apps that are Linux developed (open office, gimp, etc) end up having to support the mainstream systems to get anywhere. It's a numbers game, and Linux is so far behind they can't possibly catch up, unless someone or something BIG shoves it to the forefront. Which I personally would love to see.
    And, for the record, it's one of the main reasons I'm rooting for Chrome OS. Google pushing a Linux-based system into the limelight can only do good for the cause. And I've always been a big proponent of a Linux gaming environment, imagine how efficient a system based on a low-overhead kernel could be - it could rival consoles for performance and ease of use... Hey, a man can dream, right?
  11. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,684   +882

    Ooooo, Bill Gates is the new Robin Hood , now is he?
     
  12. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,285   +232

    Created? Man, somebody needs to examine the history of Microsoft. At least the entrepeneur part is correct - look at all the code (starting with the basis of the original MS-DOS) that MS bought, revamped, and packaged as a Microsoft product, or used as the basis for one. Many of my friends went to work for MS, and they had the constant "if we can't beat it, we'll buy it" mantra thrown at them through most of the late 80s & 90s.
    But yah, I don't mind throwing money at a company that takes perfectly good operating systems and throws them out, only to make newer slower more bloated bugware crap, then forces it down our throats just to create a revenue stream for their company. And then having to pay them when something in their expensive crapware doesn't work as it should, just to have that proper support, that just gives me a huge warm fuzzy... <disengage sarcasm mode>
    And, somehow, WE'RE the morons for not wanting to fuel the MS juggernaut?
  13. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    The average user cannot write or customize their own OS, which is why companies like MS exist in the first place.

    Vista was a mistake; it should have been what Windows 7 is currently.
  14. So in your mind (such as it is) the "Open Source" movement is the new Robin Hood, huh? LOL.
  15. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,684   +882

    Ready, Get Set, Let's Learn to Read... (and comprehend)

    I'll try to break this down for you in small easy to comprehend snippets.

    I was referring to Bill Gates as "Robin Hood" in response to this post;
    First, nobody ever said the "Robin Hood" couldn't be rich in his own right! Second, "the rich" was(is) a metaphor for the more affluent people of the Western World, who have made Gates rich in the first place. So, he's not really giving away his money, it's our money deferred. While, in the mean time, getting lauded as a great philanthropist. Our in simpler terms that you might come to grips with, Gates price gouges (robs) us, then gives a small portion away to massage his conscience, and gets a bunch of positive press in the process.

    In my mind, (such as it is), the Free Software Foundation rather compares to "DonQuixote", pointlessly tilting at windmills. Well meaning, well intentioned, but ineffective.

    Much like the random stupidity that rambles through here from time to time and posts under the name "Guest"
  16. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,684   +882

    All Joking Aside...........

    It's easy to laugh at the Free Software Foundation, after all, they are just another "crazy doomsday prophet", shouting "the end of the world is nigh upon us". It sort of summons up the image of a dirty old man that looks like Jesus, carrying a placard. A cliche as it were.

    Activists in every endeavor, tend to get scorned. Inside each and every one of us there's an alarm that goes off saying, "beware the fanatic".

    We still need the FSF, and people like them. They sound the alarms that most of us are too busy, too lazy, too indifferent, or too dependent to heed.

    The Microsoft Corporation has already reached monopoly status, but deny it they must, or run afoul of the law. Yet still they justify it with the reasoning that, it;s better, and more convenient for us, if they are. To a certain extent that's actually true. However, if you want to pass yourself off as a public utility, then you should be a public utility.

    Ah, would it were that M$ was in public control, the dawn of a new era. To make the gigantic leap from the umbrella of greedy corporate control, to control by corrupt, inept public officials. It seems that no matter which way you turn it's a lose, lose for us lowly peasants. The feudal system hasn't really gone away, it's just been renamed, "democracy".

    I kind of admire FSF, and the people that struggle, invest their talent, time, and initiative, into trying to bring us free alternatives, to the submission of overt enthrallment by any large corporation.

    That said, most of us agree with the FSF, even take the time to rail against M$, however ineffectively.

    So, Linux is an alternative to Windows. But unfortunately one that everybody complains about. But, it improves with every distro, through the labors of many good people. M$ has thousands of paid programmers to further their ends, Linux but a relative few.

    We complain about Linux, because ours is a generation of perceived entitlement. We're entitled to the intellectual labors of others, free downloaded music, free movies, and free programs and security software. After all, why wouldn't we be? So, not only does it have to be free, it has to be the best, after all, we're entitled to that as well!

    So, show a little respect for the FSF. They complain the same as we do, about the same things that we do, and that makes us kindred spirits.

    Complaint should inspire purpose, transform itself into action. Like the old, old saying goes, "are you just going to sit there and complain, or are you going to do something about it"?

    Mostly that's a big, "NOT" isn't it boys and girls"!
  17. Geepers Cranky, thanks for the breakdown! And thanks for being so accommodating of your "guests" on this forum. I guess one can only give an opinion and not get insulted here if one spends countless hours on this forum as a registered user?
  18. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,684   +882

    Gosh, hope springs eternal. I wish I had your optimism.

    Actually it's a different paradigm, as a registered user you get to insult back. Not flame mind you, just a good healthy exchange of barbs.

    As for the guest who began with "morons" perhaps a bit more than healthy.

    The net result and problem posting as a guest, is since you all choose to use the same "name", you all share the cumulative abuse, for the "opinion" of perhaps only one other "guest".

    Post 41 "all joking aside" was generated without being affected by, or in answer to any other member or guest. Does it make any sense to you?
  19. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    Here is the list of the Windows7 deadly sins list, as it were, along with my own analysis of them:
    IMO this guy is a Linux fanboy crybaby without a leg to stand on. I use all 3 major OS environments and really don't have a problem with any. His arguments are just stupid.
  20. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,684   +882

    Now is the Winter of our discontent, made glorious Summer by this son of York!

    I hate to barge in when you're on a roll like that, but where did this come from, and who is "this guy"?

    Most of "Windows 8 Deadly Sins could have been written by a paranoid schizophrenic. Mind you, I said, "could have been", and not was ;)
  21. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    Whoops, sorry about that. The (Windows) 7 Sins List can be seen here. The guy thus refers to the creator of said list.
  22. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,896   +88

    I wonder from where they(FSF) think "free" software comes from?
  23. Possibly from Mnindianapple-less Mnidiana, Forgive me I have a typing mn-impediment...
  24. GoshGolly

    GoshGolly TS Rookie

    Billy Gates bought the OS for a pittance, had his buddies diddle a bit with the code and sold the rights to IBM. Billy was nothing and would have never amounted to anything, had it not been for his parents pulling strings and Palmer's unethical, aggressive marketing methods and destruction of competition and innovation.
  25. What absurd criticism of the FSF efforts to protect our freedoms in speech and technology
    choices from the incompetence and fraud and extortion of the Mafia$oft corporation!
    Why are all these people so desperately afraid of a free market?

    Get a clue: Linux and Free Software ARE the internet now. Linux and Free Software are also
    the core technologies of the data centers for most Fortune 500 companies and major financial
    institutions (aka, the London Stock Exchange), as well as being the go to platform for any
    national government or agency or organization or institution concerned in any way with
    protecting their security and sovereignty (or any that are simply interested in reducing the
    actual costs of their information technology). Linux has grown to rule the market place as the
    core of most embedded devices as well, and is on the way to becoming the preferred platform
    for mobile devices. Maybe all this explains why Red Hat is hiring while Mafia$oft is firing (from
    the few jobs they haven't already shipped off to slave wage minions in Communist China or
    India). Free and Freedom are destined to win over greed and tyranny every time.

    So I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at how quickly the hired cult of corrupted computer
    hate mongers for Mafia$oft have come out of the woodwork on this news item, attempting
    to vilify the most sane and secure and functional and widely used information technology
    solutions as something radical or extremist. The defenders of "defective by design"
    proprietary products here sound _almost_ as rabidly deluded and vacuous as Sarah
    Palin and her political peers. It is all so transparently desperate and pitiful.

    Fortunately, no matter how many mad mercenary bloggers they dupe or how much
    corporate media ad space the Mafia$oft buys up to spread their fraud and fud and
    disinformation in denial of the realities, they are (thankfully) on the fast path to extinction.
    Even their viral file formats and corruptions of public standards can't save them from the
    meteor impact of a market liberated by the freedom of Linux.
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