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Gaming Rig

By LDLD
Jan 31, 2009
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  1. * What are you going to use the PC for?
    Gaming.
    * How much is your budget?
    8,000-10,000 $
    * Where are you located? (aka fill out your profile)
    USA
    * Are you willing to buy online?
    Yes, I have before.
    * Are you going to re-use any parts from an earlier build?
    No.
    * Do you need other peripherals like a monitor, keyboard and mouse, among others?
    No.
    * Have you already bought any parts?
    No.

    I don't know how much I want to spend but - and I say this as a laymen - under the hypothetical that you have 8000-10,000 dollars to spend :

    What is the best possible PC you'd build? All the components down the line?

    *I am not interested in looks, just performance.

    I want a rig that can run Crysis perfectly.

    Something as good or better than this:

    http://gizmodo.com/5092059/falcon-northwest-mach-v-fastest-pc-yet-runs-crysis-at-60fps

    These are some of the parts I saw in the Falcon PC, that was said to run Crysis @60 FPS:

    3.79GHz Intel Core i7 965 Extreme Edition
    An Intel X58 chipset
    12GB of 1,066MHz DDR3 SDRAM
    2 x 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2
    1TB 7,200RPM Hitachi hard drive; 80GB Intel X-25M solid-state drive.

    So for anyone interested, could you lay out the parts one-by-one that would make the best gaming PC w/ the money I'm willing to spend? Thanks~!
     
  2. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    Those parts are pretty much what you should go for. I would recommend swapping the Hitachi drive for a WD Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB drive though, and getting a single HD 4870X2. Slap on a Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme onto the CPU using the LGA 1366 backplate, and you would be able to get a superb OC out of it.

    Also, get a good-quality full-tower case. I recommend the Cooler Master Stacker series, Antec Twelve Hundred, and the Thermaltake Armor and Kandalf series as great case choices. If you want some real quality stuff though, get a Lian-Li Powersuit PC-P80 or Tyr PC-X2000.

    Lastly, and most importantly, get a good-quality modular PSU with enough power for any graphics cards upgrades. The Corsair HX1000 is a great choice, as is the Silverstone ST1200.

    Note that the best possible parts now will be old tech a year or two down the line. That is how rapidly the PC hardware market changes. Still, with those parts, you should not need to upgrade for at least 2-3 years down the line.
     
  3. LDLD

    LDLD TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    This is what someone recommended me from another forum:


    On a side-note, I am very uninformed when it comes to this stuff, could you guys categorize the parts?

    Also, yea I bet these things will be out of style in a couple of years. What do you think about the parts mentioned in the quote?
     
  4. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    That is overkill. A single HD 4870X2 or GTX 295 will be plenty. More is not always better.

    Also, Raptors are nowhere near as fast as SSDs, nor as reliable.

    I recommend the GA-EX58-DS4 motherboard and a GTX 295\HD 4870X2 as a better choice. Pair it with an i7 940 or the 965 Extreme Edition and the other parts I have recommended, and you will have a great system that will give you the best performance possible at the moment. For RAM, go with a 6GB or 12GB triple-channel kit from the Corsair Dominator series, the OCZ Reaper HPC series or the Kingston HyperX series.
     
  5. LDLD

    LDLD TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    Reply from that guy I quoted from before:

     
  6. LDLD

    LDLD TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    Also I'm hearing people say not to trust SLI over 2 single card solutions?
     
  7. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    For his arguments:
    1) I recommended either the 965 Extreme or the 940. Either will do the job.

    2) As for SSDs costing more than Raptors, their performance is far greater and with such a large budget, I doubt you would not be able to get at least one or two of them.

    And please refrain from posting his replies here and my replies there. We are bound to have different views, that is probably the reason we are on different forums. I still stand by my choices and he stands by his. Either will get you excellent performance on Crysis. The only question left to ask is:

    What monitor will you run all this on?

    Because unless you have a monitor capable of at least 1920x1200, you are throwing money away.
     
  8. LDLD

    LDLD TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    I use an HDTV as a monitor. 51 ich, or 60something cant remember.
     
  9. LDLD

    LDLD TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    whoops sorry, i only posted his view because im clueless on this stuff
     
  10. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,265   +41

    I own a 920 and i purchased my brother a 965 at the begining of january. All our other hardware is just about the same. The 3dmark vantage of these two cpu's are lower than 500 points when they're clocked to the same point. Even with the unlocked multipliers on the 965 you still wont get higher than what a 920 can get because of heat. Only way around it is going to extreme cooling methods. I do feel like its a wasted 1 grand spent on a cpu(its a really good choice) but being as though 32 nm joints will be dropping early this summer you just got your product cut down half its worth in under 6 months.
     
  11. LDLD

    LDLD TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    What do you guys think of these specs?

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjZKOYK0KG8[/ame]
     
     
  12. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,265   +41

    First issue, that power supply needs a special outlet for it to work, its not for your normal 15amp plug, which we all use in our homes. 1200 watts on a psu is fine for a psu. That is completely overkill and will increase your energy bill being as though the efficiency isnt all that great. Its apparent that guy didnt know much about new hardware because there are no 2x2 sets of ram sold for the chipset, its X x 3 making 3 gb kits or 6 gb kits. Also ready my post above about the 965.

    The canyon case is great. I was going to get if but I wanted to put a watercooling setup on my pc.

    apparently it was just some guy making a video with clips of hardware for a configured system that's kind of out of wack anyhow.
     
  13. LDLD

    LDLD TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    Sorry about that vid, this one seems much better and to the point:

    Crysis - 2 X GeForce 295 GTX Quad SLI, Core i7 3,20 @ 4,4 (1920x1080, 16xAA,16xAniso)
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P4WukPShF4[/ame]

    2 X GeForce 295 GTX Quad SLI
    Asus P6T6 WS Revolution Intel X58
    Intel Core i7 965 Extreme Edition 3,20 @ 4,4
    Kingston HyperX DDR3 4x 2GB 2000MHz Nvidia SLi Ready DDR3
    4X Segate 250GB 32MB cash in RAID 0
     
  14. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,368   +125

    If you want to use more than 4 GPU's like 2x GTX 295's pr 2x 4870x2's, you may only get about an extra 20 - 30% or so...and of course, you don't always need the latest and greatest graphics, when your playing a good game you probably won't even notice jagged edges unless your resolution is too far below your native display resolution. Really the most important graphics options are:

    1). Graphical detail, like Crysis Warhead on 'Enthusiast' settings.

    2). Resolution, you don't want to double or even quadruple in game frames to match the size of your monitor, you don't want to run, say, Starcraft (640 x 400 i think) on a 30' 2560 x 1600 screen, every pixel will be gigantic and would look pixelated. Image quality is generally best on the monitor's native resolution, 2560 x 1600 on a 30" screen, 1920 x 1200 on a 24"...For the most part, a good resolution will slightly compensate for lack of AA, supersampling AA just renders a blown up version of the image, then averages the difference on the jagged edges, effectively blurring the edges with a higher quality image to the point were you will not see the jagged edges as much.


    SSD's will, if you pick good ones, give you a significant speed boost over velociraptors, but of course, they cost more, its your choice really, with your budget there would not be a bad choice.

    I think you would be fine with 6 gigs of RAM, no need for 12, they sometimes cause motherboard incompatibilities and such plus you would probably not use it all.
     
  15. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,265   +41

    If he's getting the rampage 2, he should have no problem with 12 gb of ram, The kingston 2000mh doesnt perform as good as dominator 1600 oc'd to 1777, so he's be better off with the 1866 kits of dominator.

    I agree with the sdd comment.
     
  16. LDLD

    LDLD TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    ty guys for the feedback, i'll see what happens and post my final setup
     
  17. LDLD

    LDLD TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    UPDATE:

    PM from someone I spoke to on YouTube:

    Seems pretty good right?
     
  18. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,368   +125

    Err....no it doesn't actually...looks more like a "go to the right category, sort by highest price, and suggest two" type build.


    Core i7 not only COSTS less, but also performs about 20% - 30% faster.


    You can only have TWO, and i suggest only ONE, or a single 4870x2


    This is a stereo sound card system with remote and all, its not really for just a desktop computer PLUS chances are it won't work with vista.
    I recommend the auzentech X-Fi prelude for about $170, Asus Xonar, or Omega HT claro/Claro Halo. I am pretty sure that Creative has licences on Creative EAX sounds, which contribute to games, so i recommend the prelude because its an X-Fi chipset (with creative EAX) but better vista support.


    I would say, overkill and overpricing, you should decide on your own storage.


    Those won't work with the motherboard...AND Corsair Dominator = overprice.


    Your choice...i don't know anything about Blue ray drives.


    There are much better power supplies, and you won't need that if you only have 2 GPU's (4870x2 or GTX 295).


    Your choice...


    Overprice, probably not even too good.


    Expensive, 5ms, AND built in speakers (those generally suck).


    Your choice again...


    Again your choice.

    No sound phericals aside from the built in monitor speakers.
    At least get a raptor.


    Curiously, who was this?
     
  19. LDLD

    LDLD TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    Someone on YouTube who posted a gaming PC vid. I asked him if he could recommend a build.

    Ty for the feedback, did you like the specs on the Crysis video I posted? That guy has a bunch of vids where he shows off the performance.
     
  20. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,265   +41

    if you're not playing 1600x1200 at least you'll be wasting these new card, pretty much translated into 24" lcd or bigger. Youtube isnt really the place to decide if you want a specific build. I just spent 3500 on my latest pc. There's a certain line where performance increase with the money you spend slow trickles.
     
  21. LDLD

    LDLD TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    Here's my own config that I got from looking at Falcon:

    Power: Silverstone 1200 W Strider Modular

    Mobo: Asus P6T Deluxe

    CPU: Intel Core i7 Extreme 965 3.2GHz

    CPU Cooling: ICON Watercooling kit

    Memory: Crucial 12GB DDR3 1066MHz

    Video: 2x Nvidia GeForce 295GTX 2GB PCIE

    Sound: CL X-Fi Titanium Fatality Champion PCIE

    HD1:Intel X25-M 80GB SSD

    HD2:Intel X25-M 80GB SSD

    HD3:Intel X25-M 80GB SSD

    HD4:Samsung 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache

    Drive: LG BlueRay/HD Reader and DVD/RW

    Drive: Ultra Flash Media and Floppy Drive

    OS:Vista Ultimate 64 Bit

    Too much? Anything missing?

    Versus this setup, slightly different:

    Power Supply: Silverstone 1200Watt Strider
    Motherboard: Asus P6T Deluxe or EVGA X58 SLI
    CPU: Intel Core i7 Extreme 965 - 3.2GHz
    CPU Cooler: ICON Water cooling Kit
    Memory: Crucial 12GB DDR3 1066MHz
    Floppy Drive: Ultra Flash Media & Floppy Drive
    Video Card(s): 2x Nvidia GeForce 295GTX 2GB PCIE
    Sound Card: CL X-Fi Titanium Fatality Champion PCIE
    Extra Networking: Bigfoot Networks Killer NIC K1 - PCI
    Hard Drive 1: Intel X25-M 80GB SSD
    Hard Drive 2: Intel X25-M 80GB SSD
    Hard Drive 3: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 7200.11RPM 32MB Cache
    Hard Drive 4: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 7200.11RPM 32MB Cache
    Optical Drive 1: Lite-On 22X DVD+-RW W/Lightscribe or Samsung SS-S223 DVD burner
    Optical Drive 2: LG Blu-Ray-RW/HD-Rom/DVD+-RWwith Power
    Operating System: Windows Vista Ultimate - 64 Bit / Windows 7 Ultimate Dual Boot
     
  22. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,265   +41

    geta core i7 920 instead of the 965, save 650 dollars. I'm running my 920 at 4.2 ghz on watercooling, im sure you can do the same, although my board is an upgraded version of yours they can achieve the same clock around 4ghz~. Everything else looks good to me.
     
  23. hellokitty[hk]

    hellokitty[hk] Hello, nice to meet you! Posts: 4,368   +125

    I would take the bottom one.

    No...as i mentioned earlier, Creative X-Fi sound chipsets DO NOT LIKE VISTA, prepare for driver issues, the AuzenTech X-Fi prelude is basically the same chip, though they use AuzenTech's drivers and thus have far better support. Evga is a good brand but i would use the Asus motherboard. Your missing a case and sound output/mouse/keyboard/monitor, you may want some extra fans for your case. I would say Pioneer brand CD/DVD drives are most reliable. I would also go with a single GTX 295, actually a single 4870x2, but...if you really want.

    If thats a multipurpose drive, i guess its good, but there is no point for just a floppy drive, maybe for password reset disks and bootable media MAYBE.

    I highly doubt you will need more than 6 gigs, you would never need that much, even when running 3 - 4 games at once. So i would recommend FASTER ram over massive amounts.

    CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8D - Retailhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224 $224

    No need for this, hardly much performance and more driver fail.

    Othewise...its fast.
     
  24. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,265   +41


    the lastest x fi shipped with Asus boards works great, even with vista 64
     
  25. LDLD

    LDLD TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    Here's a bit of a challenge, what do you guys think of this config? (I asked for second opinion on another forum and this was suggested to me)

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    Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043

    4 x Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB 10000 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (get 4 of these and put them in raid 0 with areca raid controller

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136322

    areca ARC-1220 PCI-Express x8 SATA II Controller Card - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816131004

    2x EVGA 017-P3-1291-AR GeForce GTX 295 1792MB 896 (448 x 2)-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail (2 of these wil beat 3 gtx 285 in sli by a little bit and 2 of these will be cheaper than 3 gtx 285 in sli)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130449

    SAMSUNG SyncMaster 305T Black 30" 6ms(GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001098

    HT OMEGA CLARO Plus+ 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271003

    PC Power & Cooling T12W 1200W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703012

    Logitech Z-5500 505 Watts 5.1 Speaker - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121120

    Logitech G11 Silver & Black USB Standard Gaming Keyboard - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126009

    Logitech G5 2-Tone 7 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Laser Mouse - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104076

    2 x CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8D - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224

    RAZER Destructor Professional Gaming Mat - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826999030

    EVGA 132-BL-E758-A1 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188039

    Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 965 Nehalem 3.2GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601965 - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115200

    LG Black/White External 6X Blu-ray Rewriter/3X HD-ROM Drive w/ LightScribe USB 2.0 Model BE06LU10 - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136145

    TRITTON AXPro True 5.1 Gaming Headphones with 8 Precision Speakers, Removable Microphone, Dolby Digital Certified

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826235005


    Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488


    well all of these parts are the best you can get including the ht-omega claro wich is better than the asus and the creative here comes the part of water cooling and here are parts of water cooling for 2k

    2 x Iwaki RD-20 24V DC Inline Pump

    http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-65556269779593/iwrd24vdcinp1.html


    MEAN WELL S-150-24 psu (it is needed to power the pump)

    http://www.onlinecomponents.com/buy/MEAN-WELL/S15024/

    Swiftech APOGEE GTZ Ultra Extreme Performance Universal Water-block

    http://www.performance-pcs.com/cata...cts_id=24230:5ea81aa93d0c1537b8f8887be4f1bbb5

    Bitspower BP-WBEIX58NS-BK BLACK FREEZER EVGA Intel X58 - NB/SB Water Block

    http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/biblfrei.html

    2x EK-Multioption RES 400 Rev. 2

    http://www.performance-pcs.com/cata...cts_id=22142:51e1de3d4317d652bd6f9f44ede80ec7

    30x Feser Tube Active UV Hose - 1/2" ID (3/4"OD) Anti-Kink Tubing - UV Blue

    http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23610

    10 x EK High Flow Fitting G 1/4 Thread - 1/2" Barb

    http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=21945

    2 x Feser X-Changer 360mm Xtreme Performance Radiator - Thermochill Killers! (then add Pair Bitspower Compression Fitting 1/2" ID 3/4" OD and add Shroud Add Feser TFC Xtender Shroud with the color you like)

    http://www.performance-pcs.com/cata...cts_id=23558:25c8fba1fa7c46fb41308d63014c93ae

    30 x Koolance Resuable Hose Clamp [19mm, 3/4" OD] - Black

    http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=24888

    10 x Feser View Active UV Dye (Clear / Blue) 50mL

    http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-65556269779593/feviacuvdyec.html

    6 x Scythe S-Flex 120mm Fan - Ultra High Speed (SFF21G)

    http://www.xoxide.com/scythe-sflex-...0mm Fan - Ultra High Speed (SFF21G)^12^155.88

    2x Aqua gtx 295 water block

    ">http://shop.aquacomputer.de/product_info.php?language=en&products_id=2211
     
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