GeoHot raps about Sony PS3 hacking lawsuit, video inside

[Richy2k9]

hello...

We're wondering if it might make more sense for Sony Computer Entertainment to withdraw the lawsuit and have Sony BMG Music Entertainment sign the guy instead.

LOL, yeah so true .. if we buy his record he may get the money to pay SONY & his lawyer

anyway, i feel sad for him, he is a great hacker, who now wants justice because he did break the law & now doesn't want to face consequences.

why do i have the feeling that he didn't write the lyric & maybe not even his voice we are hearing ... !!!?

let's check the formulae here.

PS3 with Linux = Great gaming console / HD multimedia player & Linux server

PS3+Linux+GeoHotz = hack & crack

SONY + Fight back (being a bit stupid here i admit)= PS3 -Linux

GeoHotz + Fight back = Hack PS3 + Release to public

SONY + Fight Back x 2= Update PS3 FW + Threaten GeoHotz

GeoHotz + Fight back x 2 = Find PS3 root key + add other hackers to the list + publish to the public.

In the End i can see too many SONY / GeoHotz / PS3 & Fight back in those sentences, bad mix .. would make a bad rap & our beloved VP may tweet this wrong ... Sorry i remain a big fan of the KB .
WE OWN THE RIGHT TO USE ANY HARDWARE/SOFTWARE, BUT NOT THE PATENT / CONCEPT OR RIGHT TO REPRODUCE OR REVERSE ENGINEER !!!! Is that hard to understand ...

GeoHotz, you need to see a specialist ... this is getting worst, good luck dude!

still, i kinda liked the rap & Happy valentine's day !

cheers!

 

[Guest]

Oh boy, the old arguments keep popping up...

"We bought our PS3s and should be able to do what we want with them". WRONG. Most software (especially OS's) isn't sold to the general public. You buy a license to use it, not own it. You agree to these terms when you install/use it so don't cry about it afterwards if you are too dumb to read the T&C.

"It's not GeoHot's fault if people use his methods to pirate games". WRONG. There is only one reason he released the keys and means to crack the protection on the PS3 - so people can run software they haven't purchased via authorised legal channels. Consider this... Fisherprice sells a toy land mine that blows childrens legs off. Is it their fault if people decide to use it?

"He only did it because Sony took away Linux". WRONG. He released the proof of concept on using the 'Other OS' feature as a back door to bypass the security on the PS3. The only way Sony could stop this and the harm it would do to the console was to remove the feature. GeoHot got upset he might lose online fans as we all know it was his fault that feature got removed. He threw his toys out of his pram and only has himself to blame for that. I loved the 'other OS' feature and liked being able to use PSUbuntu on my PS3 but if removing that feature helps prevent the death of software development on it, I can live with that.

"Corporations like Sony make too much money from the PS3 anyway". WRONG. The costs in developing the Cell CPU and the manufacturing of the PS3 hardware was phenomenal. As with the majority of games consoles made, the consoles themselves were sold at a loss with the intention of making up the money on software sales. If you allow people to pirate games then you have lost that software revenue and the hardware price either goes up to compensate, or you get nothing but cheapo shovelware released on it, or the console dies. Sony have only recently gone into the black with the PS3 due to huge development costs, and I don't want to see it killed off by thieving kiddie scripters who think the world owes them free games.

Here's a thought... Try spending a few years developing software yourself with the aim of making some profit to provide for your family. Then have someone come along and give copies of it away for free. It doesn't feel very good.

 

[hitech0101]

Good rap for a guy being sued.

 

[Guest]

...These devices become ours the moment we pay for them and take them home. NO, and I repeat NO amount of abstract bantering or paperwork will change that. I am SICK and TIRED of people being walked all over and milked for money by buying devices with strangleholds built-in by design.

Don't ever tell me what to do with my own stuff. If you want that kind of control over the product, go down to your factory line, grab a few and put them in a bulletproof case surrounded by sharks with lasers.

 

[Guest]

You make sense! And I completely agree!

If I buy something that does EVERYTHING, I want it to continue to do everything! F'n Sony are a bunch of losers! I don't even need an additional OS on my PS3 but it pisses me off that I can't do it now! And now I want to put Linux on it! Just to at LEAST get the internet browsers to work right!

 

[Guest]

Quit ya moaning. You don't OWN the firmware in the PS3. You don't OWN the operating system on it. You OWN a license to use it so long as you abide by the rules you agreed to.

It's just like saying, "I paid to watch this movie at the cinema, so I should be able to record it or download a copy of it at home". NO! That isn't what you paid for and would make you thieving scum.

Or, "I paid for this CD of music so I should be able to hassle the artist and demand they give me their autograph". NO! That would make you an annoying stalker.

Or, "I paid for her dinner and her night out so I should be able to fondle her fun bags". NO! That would make you an evil rapist.

If you don't like them having to remove the 'Other OS' feature then I suggest you moan at GeoHot. It is his fault.

 

[Guest]

I think it's total open season on Sony. No one should have any guilt if they are targeting that company in any way they deem fit. Enjoy the feast on that corporate carcass - they are dying out anyway. Apple or Microsoft can buy this clowns outfit for loose change now days. But then again who wants to buy a company with the smell of Sony attached to it?

 

[Guest]

If I purchase a computer from IBM I am within my rights to load whatever I want on it, change the O/S play with the firmware - whatever. Its my computer. Sony advertised the PS3 that way... they said it was a computer, a home entertainment system not just a video console. Now they want to take that back and make up a whole bunch of new conditions. Sorry but consumers dont like being pushed around and I think Sony is really working hard to earn the worst name in consumer electronics. They are going to regret this. In the end consumers have the money and we just dont want to spend it on Sony anymore...

 

[Guest]

your wrong, Geohot didnt break the law, his CFW didnt even support back up managers well, it wasnt even ment for pirating, it was ment for bringing Lenix back to the ps3, the people who broke the law are the ones who created the CFW that supported Pirating, which Geohots didnt, i can name a bunch, Kmeaw, Wanky and REDCFW

 

[Guest]

QUOTE - "If I purchase a computer from IBM I am within my rights to load whatever I want on it, change the O/S play with the firmware - whatever" - QUOTE

That is completely different as anyone with basic knowledge of computer history will know. IBM did not patent their BIOS and used no proprietary parts in their original PCs. This meant that it was legally okay for companies to reverse engineer their BIOS through a technique called 'clean room design'. They could legally reproduce the IBM PC and create their own compatible machines. This is why the market filled with competition, and anybody and everybody could build an IBM compatible PC.

Here ends todays lesson.

 

[Guest]

QUOTE : Quit ya moaning. You don't OWN the firmware in the PS3. You don't OWN the operating system on it. You OWN a license to use it so long as you abide by the rules you agreed to.

Alright. Let me tell YOU something. I will abide by the "don't pirate our games/software" crap- HOWEVER... I OWN every atom of that machine I paid for. I don't give one crap about some "liscense". That is a rule made by someone and its a pattern of ink squiggled on paper somewhere. The arrangement of matter that is- in this case- a PS3 sitting in my home is MINE and I don't care what anyone in a corporate office or in another deskchair like YOU tell me. This "arrangement of atoms" includes the teensie-weensie patterns in that ROM/ on that HDD that make up that firmware that locked everyone out of using Linux on it at some suits behest.

So you tell me to "quit ya moaning" all "ya" want. Meanwhile I will do what I please with my stuff.

Step off.

 

[Guest]

QUOTE : Alright. Let me tell YOU something. I will abide by the "don't pirate our games/software" crap- HOWEVER... I OWN every atom of that machine I paid for. I don't give one crap about some "liscense". That is a rule made by someone and its a pattern of ink squiggled on paper somewhere. The arrangement of matter that is- in this case- a PS3 sitting in my home is MINE and I don't care what anyone in a corporate office or in another deskchair like YOU tell me. This "arrangement of atoms" includes the teensie-weensie patterns in that ROM/ on that HDD that make up that firmware that locked everyone out of using Linux on it at some suits behest.

So you tell me to "quit ya moaning" all "ya" want. Meanwhile I will do what I please with my stuff.

Step off.

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You do own the hardware you paid for. But if you want access to Sony's servers then you gotta play by their rules. Feel free to open, disassemble and mod your own PS3; just don't expect to use any features provided by Sony.

 

[Guest]

This is very true. And I agree that Sony has the entitlement to make their rules for their club. I simply think that it is a shame that this whole ordeal has unfolded the way it has. I don't presume to know the answer to how this could have been better than it is... I just hate the trend of purchased devices being treated like corporate property. Shoot- at least Nintendo gives the user a warning when updating the firmware on their Wii! Sony has stooped to rootkits in times past.

..And the whole Linux " here it is!!! WHOOPS!! There it went! " fiasco reeks of "Bait and Switch" to me. NOTE: I don't use Linux on my PS3 and never have, but however large or small the group of those that do/did is- they still should count.

 

[Guest]

I hope he ends up in prison.

 

[gwailo247]

I agree with Guest.

 

[Richy2k9]

hello ...

i totally agree with:

Guest
on February 14, 2011
5:30 AM

he is saying what really happened while some don't even have a clue on how things are & what are the consequences.

& some other guests are either unaware of the law, morality of real meaning of usufruit / licence or anything related to cocept / copyright/ patent & i wish they never become developers / publishers , sorry for repeating ...

still, i may agree with some ideas put forward like the PS3 being a computer system, the PS2 too was said so, even older ATARI consoles had such definition, because a computer is a machine that computes & being a PC tech, i know that some computers were & still are dedicated machines (like ATM, do you want the ATM to make your coffee ?)

I even agree that if you own a PS3, you can remove the existing software, even if not allowed by the TOS you agreed with, yet this doesn't give you the right to steal other people's work, or cheat & hack then spoil the gameplay of other players & owning a gun doesn't give you the right to kill someone.

those supporting GeoHotz don't see the real implications, go & read back my 1st comment here ... & then don't tell me he had to bring back Linux to the whole population, he could keep the hacks for himself & then as SONY i would have hired him.

& yes, like mentioned by the rare 'Guest' with some good sense ... SONY built a machine, selling it to you, but stating (like any other hardware manufacturer do) that you have the right to use it, but not reverse engineer, copy or modify it, but can't control what you do with it. Still SONY owes PSN & each publisher owns the games you purchased, for any software you own ONLY the right to use, limited on sharing, re-selling, no right to copy, reverse engineer, etc ... You are free to do whatever you want, but respective owners are also free to do whatever they want with people abusing their patent/licence of anything, to everything there are consequences, just face them!

& a rap ... :S well i will rap soon too

cheers!

 

[Guest]

Is it me or everyone seem to have skipped this sentence:

"Sony is still threatening to sue anybody posting or distributing PS3 jailbreak code, and that a federal judge order Google and Twitter to surrender details of anyone who looks at the illegal content. This is despite the fact that Sony accidentally tweeted the PlayStation 3 security key earlier this week.

I probably don't know much about law but if SONY made it PUBLIC by posting it on their tweeter account (mistake or not) well seems to me that "THE KEY" is now FREE information!

So is out to do what you wish with it, yes it probably is copyrighted and all but ....it was made PUBLIC by SONY and SONY breached the contract between consumers and SONY by REMOVING a feature that was ADVERTISED as part of the goods and services SONY OFFERED to YOU if you purchased their product.

So it might be illegal to reverse engineer or what not but Geo was not the one to make HIS HACK illegal it was the ones who made the "CFW that supported the Pirating" the ones who made all this into what it is. His CFW was only the bring LINUX ( a main feature, offering, selling point, service or what ever you would like to call it, included in the ORIGINAL ADVERTISED PRODUCT FEATURES later removed because is cheaper for SONY then coding something up to counter it while leaving the feature on) back when it should have NEVER been taken away in the first place!!

Sony why not take the money invested in the lawsuit and get a good coder to fix your mess allowing Linux again and coding some anti hack for it??

Makes more sense then having this uproar of angry costumers... well not like you guys really care anyways do you SONY?

 

[Myzz617]

First off he is throwing up the ELITE; Illumaniti sign and no one even mentions it. Hes trying to open peoples eyes and yall sit here saying he gets what he deserves. sorry but Sony got what they deserve they sell a product then go back on what they say. We all see Microsoft opening up to hackers. Now sony wants to do the opposite which will harm them in the long run.