German consumer group sues Valve over the resale of Steam games

It would be great if we could sell Steam games. Some games I don't really play, and would like to get rid of if I had the ability to.

People will complain about anything. I dont mind it; its the only other price I pay for really, really cheap games.

If you don't like it then don't use it.
They are giving you so much for free (free downloads, community, chat, updates and soooo much more) and they ask of you to not cheat and to not resell the games. A fair trade in my book.

You are paying for all that, it's not free.

It would be nice to be allowed to resell games at a fair price or gift them.

I don't enjoy the idea of when you start using Steam you are completely roped into it and when they change their subscriber agreement (as the picture above shows),

You are forced to agree or else you lose everything.

I personally love Steam & Valve. <3 Brilliant deals! Shame no Diablo 3 though,

Sorry to tell you this but what exactly are we "Paying for"? steam is free heard that free and all the downloads, community, chat, updates etc. are free this isn't microsoft there is no steam live subscription you pay yearly or anything.

What is the difference between this and ubisoft, Origin, star wars the old republic mmo, world of warcraft, gog.com, gamefly, direct2play?
As all I see is that they are all selling games and not allowing you to sell your accounts for the obvious reasons. SURE let them allow people to sell/trade games/accounts etc then when you complain to steam about how your account was hacked and you cant get on they will simply state that you sold your account and/or games so its all your fault

I don't see why we cant gift/transfer games to other users.

They already have it all set up when buying new ones to be able to gift that to another account. I mean honestly if I do sell a older game of mine to somone else doesnt that mean im going to use that cash to just buy more new games?
It's win-win jeez.

Not exactly as you could sell your games and buy pc equipment I know I would, gifting/transferring games to other uses makes hackers and keygen makers happy which we don't want as I dont want to wake up in the morning to find out some of my games are gone thanks to a gifting/transferring to friends feature which I didn't use.

Steam should take a page from the used game industry. They should allow you to trade the games you have purchased back to Steam. That way Steam controls their own product and the consumer can get back some of what they paid.

Isn't that why there's Steam Guard? Throw in some extra personal hoops if you want, such as requiring extra information per game / selection of games if you want. Just to make it simply harder to bypass, there's many ways of locking your account down against this.

Steam Guard is there already. With some extra added security checks, to make 100% sure it's you trading and not someone on your PC. IE: Mobile confirmation or other sorts of checks, anything to ensure you don't lose things to security flaws or other means.

Ye but steam guard doesn't protect you 100% and not only that but not everyone has a mobile, people I know are actually getting accounts to sell to others and those accounts have games on them and they dont own the account or games.

These accounts are going for like $1 a pop which is stupidly low!

It would be nice if there's some kind of safety net guarding the consumer consider so many of us try out a game and only later find out that it sucks. I spent $40 on Dead Island and only played it for 15 mins and realized it sucked, and hated it. I've since never touched the game ever again. it's a $40 sitting on my digital shelf that I can never use. it would be nice to at least have some kind of game progress tracking mechanism that allows you to refund the game at less than a quarter way through. just like at the movies, you're entitled to a full refund for a movie if you walk out in less than 40 mins, which btw not a lot of people know about.

I'm just offering suggestions here. Give them at least SOME incentive, to accept possible trading of used games. I've got well over 200 games in my list, good majority are from bundles or gifts. Most I never even touch honestly, but I get them regardless. Maybe others I know find it interesting, whenever they come to visit possibly.

There's a lot of general things many people want, and Valve has a tight grip for a reason. Just loosen up, let people trade maybe 3-4 games a month? There's many solutions ahead for sure, but nobody wishes to compromise.

Well Steam only sells you a key to access the game...
Also, allowing used game sales on Steam would probably result in a bunch of people buying games during sales and selling them for a profit soon after.
I also thought that the great prices also justified not be able to sell your license to play, but I guess not.
(I only buy games that are or were $1-10 at some point)

It's free. If you gave someone money for steam then it's your problem not ours.

You can always buy a copy in your brick and mortar store. You'll be able to resell it. It's just that it usually costs 2 times more depending on the store (not including steam sales) and it can be lost/destroyed so easily. Did I mention all of the free stuff you get on steam?

go to greenmangaming.com if you want to buy and resell your games. but be careful what you buy, many of them require a steam account and can't be resold.

You already can gift games to other users. Just give them an unused registration code. I have been gifted games this way several times.

The copy you buy in a brick and mortar store also requires a Steam, Origin, or whatever account and once you register it, it is tied to your account forever. You can resell the CD and case, but it will still be useless to the buyer. The only games you can buy in stores these days that does not require registration are all crappy games from low budget publishers.

Who ever told you that? Please cite the law which says this.

I understand where they are coming from tho...they can push any agreements they want on us, probably even payments to play games we purchased because if we don't accept those agreements they just delete your account and all your games go bye bye...if you defend that your insane...

Steam used to be a small studio releasing games that deserved more praise than Hollywood movies. Now they're the big shot in the industry and went mainstream with the Orange Box and TF2, making all games graphically like a cartoon. What I used to love turned into a monster.

Except you do not own your games...

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