Gmail creator: Google just can't compete with Facebook

By Emil
Dec 22, 2010
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  1. Google has been working on a Facebook killer for many months now. Many have criticized Google's approach, including Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, saying the search giant simply does not understand social. Now, former Google employee, Gmail creator, and FriendFeed founder Paul Buchheit has come out and explained why it's so hard for the company to create a successful social ne...

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  2. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,272   +90

    Is Foursquare a direct competitor to Facebook and Twitter? Not that I'm the voice of all humans, but up until now, I've never even heard of it.
  3. freedomthinker

    freedomthinker TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 140

    Same here
  4. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,493   +303

    Add me in as well, I've never heard of Foursquare?
  5. Benny26

    Benny26 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,575   +47

    What the hell is Foursquare?

    Oh, nobody knows. Hmmm...
  6. g4mer

    g4mer TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 340

    Me too. They also forgot about MySpace.
  7. Foursquare...Sounds like a country dance.

    Google should stick to what it knows and good at, in the mean time let the facebook die off on its own.
  8. yorro

    yorro TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 245

    I searched Foursquare. Looks like a gimmick.
  9. I have never heard of it either
  10. Google you make a great search engine, you have all the money in the world. You dont have to controll every aspect of computing. Let some other people start up a business and run it. You have enough already.
  11. Threesquare + 1
     
  12. matrix86

    matrix86 TechSpot Maniac Posts: 802   +8

    Everyone has forgotten about Myspace, lol. That's how "successful" it is
  13. Benny26

    Benny26 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,575   +47

    I actually knew about Myspace long before i found twitter (?)

    I would have signed up aswell, if some douce bag hadn't nicked the Benny26 name :mad: :evil:
  14. Never heard of Foursquare either.

    This article must be the advertisement for Foursquare.
  15. four square? i remember that being a packet of smokes......
  16. JudaZ

    JudaZ TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 294

    seriously .. why cares about facebook. .... sure its big ..now .. and Mark Zuckerberg,earns a ton of money .... but more and more people seem to be getting tierd of facebook ... not checkning ther page as often , not updatting ...

    even a lot of "internet names" are getting boored..

    Livejournals was big, andnow is just in the background
    MySpace was huge and facebook only a speck on its radar , now MySpace is just in the background
    Facebook is big ... but I thing it has reached its peak ... it will also dropp or normalize and maybe even fade away when the next fad copmes along ...

    some new page that is actually not new at all, a site that does nothing you couldnt do already, but "all the cool people use it" and there for so must I and then the horde of sheep will get that new thing , "because everyone has it" ...

    Still dont get the point of facebook at all..
  17. I have lost so many good friends who cannot receive my email attachments. Why did this happen or am I wasting $60 a month on an internet that wont work for me. Can somebody try to fix this ASAP. I know for a fact there are many disgruntled Gmail customers. Please hurry this is just as bad as a virus. Marilyn Biggera Waters
  18. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 13,351   +301

    BRAVO JudaZ!! Facebook, Twitter, Myspace et al are designed for TRIVAL chat and who cares information swapped between kids (age is insignificant)

    Google is the primo search engine on the Internet and AskJeeves, Yahoo, Bing et al are all insignificant players.

    Hit count on a website is not the same as usefull, actionable information.

    reminds me of the adage
    Figures don't lie but liars can still figure​
    :wave:
  19. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,041   +72

    IMO Google simply doesn't have 'right mindset' when it comes to incorporating 'social' element in their offerings, i.e. why I believe Google's long term future as prime search provider 'may' be challenging. Static search results which Google provides can go only that far. Hence, advertising being the fundamental source of their revenue stream can also suffer as a result. I sincerely 'despise' what F***book is but frankly I see the appeal of their idea, and if someone can 'come up with right mix of both of these worlds' can give them both a pretty damn good run for their money.

    @Jo
    Other players are insignificant because they were 'pretty much asleep' (especially Yahoo and MS) and let Google become what it has without any significant competition. Otherwise, difference between search results is generally 'insignificant'. I would love to see some competition in this arena, because Google has started suffering from 'innovative constipation' except for the bright spark of Android in recent years (well it was an 'acquisition' but still it counts ...... ;) ).
  20. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 13,351   +301

    My point is Social Networking is not in the same ballpark as Search Engines, so the whole topic Google just can't compete with Facebook is an oxymoron and not comparing apples to apples.

    Kids love that stuff, but has no serious content for the Internet community. Heck, Techspot offers more than FB ever will :wave:
  21. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,041   +72

    But my focus is not the 'learned internet community' because is a very 'small fraction' of internet users, I was rather pointing at 'ordinary users' who make up vast majority of internet users, and as internet make progress towards more and more online trading as such, social (e.g. marketing) element of things will come into play.

    Okay, that kinda kills the argument hehe ;)
  22. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 13,351   +301

    On Google's home page (which many use as their PC home page :) ), there are a list of services offered:
    Images Videos Maps News Shopping Gmail Books Finance Translate Scholar Blogs Realtime YouTube Calendar Photos Documents Reader Sites Groups​
    and today, Google announced the advent of a News Stand for your Smartphone
    FB vs Goolge is like McGuffey's Reader to the Encyclopida Britanica
  23. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,041   +72

    Only useful thing over there is Maps, rest of the things aren't upto mark in my view; and I never believe in news dished out by single source, I like to form my own opinion so that means I usually end up having to go through several news sources. Also I am not comparing these two for what they offer now, in their current state search or even what FB offers can only grow that much hence (including the revenue aspects). Importantly the revenue side of search (i.e. advertising) is what can get hit pretty badly due to propagation of products through social sites; which I have been pointing at all along. That is why Google is constantly trying to come up with something to compete with FB, and keep failing; yet I can't but at least admire that they are seeing the growing danger to their biggest revenue stream and trying to do something about it.
  24. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 13,351   +301

    Tim Berners-Lee: Facebook poses threat to web

    Nice discussion - - thank you.

    Some may not recognize the name Tim Berners-Lee but this is the chap that gave us
    the HTTP protocol upon which all our browsers depend. This was great addition to the Internet before that development,
    which was then primarily just Goper, FTP and Email. Mr Berner's-Lee is also the founder of the World Wide Web Consortium (w3c.org) where all the Web standards are debated and synthesized.
    The Semantic Web is a design that was intended in the early hours of the WWW development, but which needed sufficient primatives to begin that work. Today, you may recognize XML as a data stream that does exactly that - - describes a data stream in a manner that it can be processed by new applications.

    Mr. Berner's-Lee' quote above draws an implication that if these silos were present before XML was delivered, then significat information would have been locked into the silos and things like video streaming would have been easily preempted.

    Yes, the kids just love FB, but by its very nature, those pages are very limited in both content and the ability to be reused (ie: extensibility) both of which are important to future software development.
  25. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,041   +72

    Very fair points, but only backed me up on underlying argument of my idea in an implicit way, I think some time in future (FB's phenomenal growth starts to slow down) and as search market is pretty stagnant; there will come an opportunity for someone who adheres to Open Web and offers a right mix of both services but in an improved form. It is an another debate whether FB or Google will remain relevant at that point, names as such are meaningless for me, new brands appear and die dictated by the prevailing facts/conditions of the market.


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