HELP! A XP2100+ - default temp 62-69°C!

By hdmk
Dec 26, 2002
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  1. hdmk

    hdmk Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 150

    I think I've found a selection of nice cases at fashionpcs.com )the euro branch of colorcases.com)

    e.g. "Moonlight ":

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    It looks like good cooling (except no roof fan - but still good. Are the prices in Euros (?) - so this case costs £40 (inc VAT - converted at XE.com) What do you think?
  2. hdmk

    hdmk Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 150

    anyone :( ?

    don't leave me to think for myself! :p
  3. iss

    iss TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,896

    other than looking like it was designed by some sci fi weenie it appears to be functional. I would ditch the generic power supply though.
  4. hdmk

    hdmk Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 150

    I won't buy one with a PSU ... I've already got one. The trouble buying cases is that they all come with PSU's already.

    It looks ok to me...but I may still go with the original - I know that's quality. Does anyone know of any quality (but cheap) cases - no psu, decent airflow?

    Otherwise its a toss-up between the above 2 (maybe a different style from fashionpcs).
  5. Vehementi

    Vehementi TechSpot Paladin Posts: 3,199

    HDMK, that 2nd HSF you posted would do you alot better. Since it's designed for the XP's all the way up to the 2800+, having it for the 2100+ is overkill - which is great!

    As for cases, it really is your aesthetic pick. Either of those two should be fine...really.
  6. Vehementi

    Vehementi TechSpot Paladin Posts: 3,199

    Ah and don't get a case with 60mm case fans - it really is a lesson in futility. Minimum of 4 80mm fans I'd say.

    And remember that if you buy Moonlight, you're going to have to also buy 3 case fans for it. It doesn't include them. And that's going to cost you another £15-20. Just keep that in mind.
  7. Didou

    Didou Bowtie extraordinair! Posts: 5,899

    4 case fans is a lot if you ask me. Not everyone needs such drastic cooling. 1 or 2 fans will lower the temps quite a lot allready & not increase the noise level too much.
  8. Vehementi

    Vehementi TechSpot Paladin Posts: 3,199

    Eh well that's my opinion. They're not loud if you get quiet fans, like the 5 2050RPM ones I have.
  9. StormBringer

    StormBringer Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,871

    Airflow through the case is more important than having a bunch of fans. Having only an intake and exhaust would be better than if you had 10 fans in there that were working against eachother.

    The number of them isn't as important as being able to get cool air in and cold air out while directing that air toward the hotspots. All the while keeping a good even flow of air through the case.
  10. hdmk

    hdmk Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 150

    Check out pics of the case (proposed - from fashionpcs.com): here

    The front two fans will suck in, the other too will be drawing air out- if I can figure out how you attatch a fan to that back vent.... :rolleyes:

    I'm planning to attatch 4: YS-TECH FD8125 80mm Fan - 3 Pin
    » Speed - 3000RPM
    » Output - 45.2CFM
    » Decibels - 34.2dBA
    » Dimensions - 80x80x25

    I could get the quieter ones, - they are half as loud, but half the airflow, so I'll probably stick with these.

    BTW - how do I connect these to the mobo? I have connected 1 case fan already, but how do I connect 4 on one slot?
  11. Didou

    Didou Bowtie extraordinair! Posts: 5,899

    Case fans come with a 3-pin to 4-pin ( such as those used on IDE devices ) converter so you can connect the fan directly to the PSU.
  12. hdmk

    hdmk Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 150

    I'm confused.... :confused:

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    I have a connector like that brown one on my current fan, and I assume I'll have that on my new fans - how does that plug in?
    this is just an example fan, not the one I'll be getting

    At the moment I have one fan, with the brown connector plugged into my motherboard. There are no more connectors for fans - so how do I connect them to the PSU?

    Should I buy fans with a 4 pin connector instead? :confused:
  13. hdmk

    hdmk Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 150

    ok, I think I get it now.

    I want the fans with a 4 pin connector - which will connect to the cables coming out of the PSU. If I want to measure the speeds of one of these fans, I want the 3 pin version - but I can only attatch one of those, to the motherboard.

    So, I buy one fan with a 3 pin connector, and three with a 4 pin connector. Right? :)
     
  14. StormBringer

    StormBringer Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,871

    You can get adapters to go from that 3 pin connector to MOLEX connector. Or you can change them yourself. The MOLEX connectors will only be using two of the pins, one for red and one for black. The third wire will be "taped" off(meaning it is not used) The only use for the third wire is monitoring, if you connect it to the mobo(and is supported) or if you use a baybus or other means of control/monitoring then the tach wire will be used. In the case of connecting to the PSU, you can either just buy those fans with the MOLEX connector, or you can adapt them yourself if they aren't available that way.
  15. hdmk

    hdmk Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 150

    MOLEX connector - as in the 4 pin one?

    EDIT: ok, the 4 pin one is the MOLEX:

  16. Nick

    Nick Newcomer, in training Posts: 216

    Rick why would you need all those fans? Right now I have my AMD xp 1600 oced to 1.6 ghz without any problems and running at 37*c. The only case fan is the power supply fan however i have a 7800 rpm heatsink that i let go full blast (people say it would be loud, not loud at all to me.)

    I really don't see why you would need so many fans, unless your system really is too hot...
  17. Maximus

    Maximus TechSpot Member Posts: 63

    I can't stress this enough, make sure the heatsink isn't on backwards. This might be causing those abnormal temperatures. And I agree with Nick, you reall don't need 50 fans in your computer. I only have a power supply fan and a stock AMD cooler. My temps are at about 37C-42C and 24C system temperature, I also have th side of my case off to let all the excess heat go out. Try that, and for the last time, MAKE SURE THE FAN/HEATSIK ISN'T ON BACKWARDS!!!!!
  18. palmboy5

    palmboy5 Newcomer, in training Posts: 112

    case off would make the air circulation mess up...
  19. Maximus

    Maximus TechSpot Member Posts: 63

    It was in fact recommended by the people that I bought the case, processor etc. from, that I should take the case off instead of buying another cooler. Plus I've never had any problems I dont know why he should.
  20. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 6,304   +52 Staff Member

    If you are talking about the "four fans" idea.. That was Vehementi that suggested that. I suggested one intake and one exhaust which is by no means extravagant... It's pretty standard.

    The reasons I recommend at least 2 fans is for proper case temperatures is not solely for your CPU. Your temperatures are abnormally low, and whether that is misinformation or you just have really low room tempertaures.. Not many people idle at 37*C. Imagine how cool it would be with two case fans! :) The fact you have a very powerful CPU fan is also something that not everyone has or wants.

    My main concern would be hard disk drives. Espcially systems with drives sandwiched together. Unlike most of the other parts of your system they are mechanical and wear down with heat. If you indeed have no case fans, that hard drive is stewing in its own heat.. The platter is contracting and expanding with each shut-off of your system because of the variances between high and low temps, lowering the hard disk life of your computer. Maybe you'll never notice it - maybe it will blow up tomorrow - But if you value your computer, its components and your data, proper cooling helps run your system safely and optimally.

    Hot components run slower, live shorter and cause problems. Your CPU is not that the only thing in your system that gets hot and two extra case fans can go a long way in maintaining your system's health and performance.

    The main thing here though, is that his CPU IS too hot. While your CPU is not, he must do something about it. Two case fans can easily shave off 15*C from his CPU temperature providing he has high ambient temperatures.
  21. Vehementi

    Vehementi TechSpot Paladin Posts: 3,199

    There's no air circulation to mess up if you don't have any case fans...
  22. StormBringer

    StormBringer Newcomer, in training Posts: 2,871

    I'd like to know where some of you are getting your cooling info. It surely isn't from experience. Using 10, 20, or 50 fans (I know it is an exageration but..) this is rediculuous. The more fans you add, the more difficult it is to control the airflow without creating "dead air", which are places where air gets trapped because of the turbulence of all the fans blowing in different directions. I've seen many cases that have several fans, in the side panel alone, but, while they look cool, they don't do anything other than hinder the airflow inside the case. If you have a fan in a side panel sucking air out, and it is directly over the CPU fan, it is hindering the CPU fan because the CPU fan is trying to blow air that the other fan is trying to pull away from it. If one of these fans is stron enough, it could stop the other, or at least slow it down and eventually burn it up. There are correct ways of venting and ducting when using that many fans but it is not necessary if you can acomplish your goal in another way. The most important thing is to move the hot air out and cool air in, which I have tried many times to stress but it seems to be ignored.

    Someone said to remove the cover to increase airflow, this is wrong and will kill any airflow except that of the fans. Areas with no fans will be in dead air. If you remove the cover, you better get a house fan or you're asking for trouble.

    The most intelligent reply I've seen was made by Rick when he explained the effects of heat on the drives. Similar things happen to the solid state components in the system as well. When they get hot and cold, the substrate becomes less stable. This shortens their life.
  23. Nick

    Nick Newcomer, in training Posts: 216

    Yea i got a hard drive cooler for that rick... =P
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