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  1. Archie Newcomer, in training Posts: 19

    Ok that explains quite a lot, why is overclocking such an important feature, just read in Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclocking that overclocking is not such a good idea , any way I am sure you have your reasons. As given in Wiki too.

    Sure I have all my options open, So for AMD my choice of processors will be either Llano or Trinity both are APU's right?
    What would be my choice for the chip set? Need one each of HDMI and DVI ports, Both PCI and PCie slots and all other Required features.
  2. ikesmasher TechSpot Addict Posts: 1,117   +80

    KK ill try making this simple as well.
    You are correct about intel. Using a dedicated card will require you to disable the intel graphics, using only the graphics on the D-card for your PC.

    However, for AMD, there is crossfire.
    There are two kinds of crossfire.
    The kind you mentioned, hybrid crossfire, uses the APUs graphics alongside the D-card. HOWEVER, this only works with SPECIFIC (and lower priced/powered) cards. (someone else would have to give you the actual model number of supported cards, I wouldnt know.)
    Normal crossfire (like, its called just "crossfire" as far as I know) is having TWO D-cards working together through a crossfire bridge (a crossfire bridge is an actual cable between the cards.) FOR YOUR BUDGET, a cheaper motherboard CANNOT DO NORMAL CROSSFIRE WELL. If you are getting a cheaper motherboard it wont be able to do normal crossfire well (if you want me to explain in the next post, I will, just trying to avoid confusion here). However, assuming you get a compatible dedicated card and a APU, pretty much all motherboards (of the correct APU socket, obviously) can support that.

    I hope this is all clear :D
  3. Archie Newcomer, in training Posts: 19

    Hi please can you elaborate why an ordinary board cannot do normal cross fire well.

    So do you mean that I have to buy an expensive board so that later if I buy a D- GFX card , both the APU and the D-GFX card can work in cohesion without any problems ?

    P.S.Please do post the reply and I will get back to you on this after the week end. Have a great week end.
  4. slh28 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,674   +99

    Forget about Crossfire, both the normal and hybrid kind.

    "Normal" CF is designed for top end systems, e.g. two 7970's or two 7950's where a single card just isn't powerful enough. In almost all cases it is better to get a single more powerful card than two less powerful ones (CF creates more noise, power consumption and has driver issues).

    Hybrid CF only works up to low end cards. If you want any sort of decent gaming experience you'll want to get a mid range card like the 6850 or 7770 which don't work with hybrid CF anyway.

    Any FM2/FM1 motherboard (depending on what APU you go for) will be fit for your purpose, they will all have at least one PCI-E slot for a discrete GPU.
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  5. ikesmasher TechSpot Addict Posts: 1,117   +80

    I agree with slh, normal crossfire is for high end systems (you can do it with other cards but its pointless) and most hybrid crossfire D-cards arent powerful to justify buying it.

    But if you must know, cheaper motherboards cannot support normal crossfire because of underneath.
    Most mobos have two PCIe slots. These two slots must share bandwidth (they must share amount of room they have to communicate with the motherboard, really rough explaination and someone else can do better). Dedicated cards run at the speed x16 to run full speed. However, cheaper motherboards only support one X16 PCIe slot, and then other is a much slower, usually X4. This makes crossfire a complete waste of resources. For crossfire to be effective, both slots must run at x16, which only more expensive motherboards do.
    For some reason, I had a hard time explaining that, so if someone else can do better, please do.
  6. Cinders TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,312   +12

    The components that slh28 recommended will not lock you out of using a discrete video card later on. Playing modern games at HD screen resolutions with all the "eye candy" turned on usually requires a fairly beefy (hundreds of dollars) discrete video card and a quality, high power, power supply unit to allow the video card all the amps it needs to do its job. IF you were going to turn this into a gaming machine I'd make sure to get at least a six core AMD CPU (or a quad core i5 Intel CPU) and I'd also plan on 8GB of system memory and an expensive dedicated GPU with at least 1GB of DDR5 video memory, I'd favor more like 2GB of DDR5 video memory with 256bit memory access and a quality power supply with at least six-hundred and fifty watts of power.

    With the right discrete video card you will not need CrossFire or SLI at all
     
  7. SNGX1275 TS Special Forces Posts: 11,893   +117

    I've been avoiding this thread because I wasn't on TS that often and the thread grew too fast for me to keep up with, but I skimmed through it and wanted to at least make a point I didn't see made above. And it appears ikesmasher hasn't purchased anything yet.

    There are a few motherboards that will work with PCIe and a Pentium 4 (well the 775 P4s). One example is the ASRock Dual 775-VSTA. It would also accept an AGP card or a PCIe (although only at 4x) and DDR or DDR2 RAM. You could pair that with a relatively modern inexpensive PCIe graphics card that has some hardware decoding for HD video playback.

    I don't really recommend this approach because it requires all the work of building a new system but the only benefit you get is you can reuse your processor and RAM. But, it would be pretty inexpensive if you could find the board used for cheap.

    I ran that motherboard with DDR2 RAM and a geforce 7800GS AGP card with a C2D e6400 for a while, then let Tarkus (old forum member) borrow the board when he had a board unexpectedly die. I believe he ran DDR2 RAM and a PCIe graphics card with a C2D 4300. He sent it back when he bought a new board and processor, then I had it running again for another year or two. The board works well for what it is intended to do, be a stop-gap for people that want to upgrade, yet still use a lot of old parts.