Intel Haswell integrated graphics are on par with GeForce GT 650M

Burty117,

"When was the last time AMD's performance numbers actually matched up to the product? Do you remember what they were saying about bulldozer over Phenom II's? I personally wouldn't hold my breath for AMD, and even if it does outperform the Intel, It will more than likely use a considerable amount of power over the Intel counterpart."

AMD publicly never said anything about Bulldozer vs. Phenom II. Let's not confuse JK-AMD's online drivel with AMD's public statements.

It looks like you made up your mind anyway. Recently AMD claimed that HD8000M parts would be 25-50% faster than HD7000M parts they replace at the same prices. HD8790M is actually 50-60% faster than the HD7690M part it replaced:

http://techreport.com/review/24086/a-first-look-at-amd-radeon-hd-8790m

In my post above I said Kaveri should launch by Q1 2014, but AMD actually expects it to be out by Q4 2013.

http://wccftech.com/amd-launching-28nm-kaveri-apu-steamroller-cores-2013/

Richland should provide 20-40% increase in GPU performance over Trinity APU and Kaveri is rumored to be another 40-50% faster than Richland APU in graphics performance. That means if Intel doubles its graphics speed with Haswell GT3, by Q4 2013, all those gains will be completely wiped out by Kaveri and AMD's APUs will once again be 70-80% faster in graphics vs. Intel's GT3.

this is true too. My Liano (before trinity) APU can beat my friend's 4000, played together in saints row 3 and battlefield bad company 2...

AMD showed off a tablet with their next gen x86 SoC (8w) playing Dirt Showdown in 1080p...so I wouldn't say Intel has quite caught up in terms of IGP.

I don't see discrete graphics going away anytime soon. Going to be a tough sell to PC gamers to buy into integrated anything.

It isn't all about the desktop space, rather, the important factor is, in mobile CPUs which GPU they pair up, and so far, GT3 will make a difference in this area (mind you not all mobile CPUs will be getting it).

How is that important? Well it will mean the midrange market will become very competitive, probably starting a trend where GPUs like 77xx or 650s will not be needed anymore, resulting in much lower power requirements, and much better battery life. So, unless AMD is able to put out a stronger + power efficient CPU to go with their reasonably performing mid-range GPUs I don't see it getting much traction.

Looks like it will make Ultrabooks more hardcore gaming capable. Looking forward to seeing Haswell when it comes out.

Why worry about intergrated graphics with a mobile intel CPU? You use it for CPU performance.

If you're after GPU performance, get an APU or a dedicated mobile GPU.

If people keep pushing intel into making their chips all gaming-capable, the power of their CPU's (the reason we all buy intel) will be affected.

I don't think so, Intel IGP on SB (onward) is not too bad for basic gaming on notebooks. As for GPU performance, AMD's weak CPU with worse power to performance ratio clearly is the cause for it being only found on lower end models.

IF AMD is destined to go down, and instead ARM is going to be next AMD, then what are the odds of Intel buying at least AMD's graphics business? ........ A very wild thought indeed, but one which probably make some sense.

To counter the above, I suspect, AMD can go the other route, and start producing ARM based SoCs to compete in mobile space.