Law enforcement fights back against the Waze app police tracking feature

By Justin Kahn
Feb 12, 2015
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  1. Waze is a community based traffic and navigation app that allows it users to pinpoint where police cars and speeding radar set-ups are currently located (among other things). This particular feature isn't go over well with law enforcement, so police...

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  2. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 1,602   +411

    I used Waze before I started using Google Maps. I may have to give it another look...
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2015
  3. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,430   +2,822

    Why don't they just put a camera at every 5th mile marker? Even if it is a dummy, people wouldn't know the difference. If people think their driving habits are being watched every few miles, they will mind likely obey regulations more frequently. The sad truth is they want people breaking the law, as much as the people want to break the law.
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  4. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TS Evangelist Posts: 1,082   +331

    Yup that is how they fill the monthly ticket quota's
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  5. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Evangelist Posts: 3,379   +2,167

    In tribal times it was called tribute.
  6. If they want to reinforce that cops are trustworthy, then this is how you do it. Oh... wait...
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  7. Neojt

    Neojt TS Booster Posts: 165   +22

    Isint that agains the Waze TOS ?
  8. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,430   +2,822

    Regardless of whether it is or not, how could you police the police (anyone for that matter) and get them banned for false info? And when reporting, how would you prove your argument is not in fact the false info?
  9. Because there is a little something called the Confrontation Clause in the US constitution. Basically you have the right to face your accuser in court for any criminal accusations. Which is why the police officer(or other witness) must be present in order to commit you of a crime in even things as simple as a speeding ticket. The city of Houston spent millions implementing red light cameras only to have them turned off because of this same reason. Besides that, all it did was cause more rear end collisions because of people slamming on their brakes so they wouldn't get a ticket at the light.

    This is nothing more than a money grab. They are losing revenue because of this app, so they are trying to kill it. How about pulling less people over coming home from work doing 5miles over the speed limit and getting out and cleaning crime ridden neighborhoods? Maybe because that's not where the money is.
  10. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,430   +2,822

    You saying this is funny. They already have automated systems in place that use character recognition on your license plate and mail you a fine based on specific traffic violations. Then if you object you can face the facts in court and fight the accusation then. The car owner is liable for fines, if the offense can not be proven the actions of others. Basically if it was your car, pay the fine and you deal with whoever was at fault.
  11. Never said it was not implemented anywhere. Simply a reasons why it should not be. The government does many things that they don't have the legal authority to do.

    People tend to see a picture of them running a red light and just opt to admit guilt and pay the fine. However there are many instances where the confrontation clause has dismissed cases. Unless these police officers want to have a full staff that is available to both read the camera feeds AND appear in court to face the accused, then it will only gain traction.

    In reality it will(if not already) get easy to doctor video. And you can accuse anyone of anything based on a video supposedly of them. What then? Accept jail time?
  12. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,430   +2,822

    That would be no more an issue than police making false accusations. If anyone is going to accuse you, they will find a way regardless of resources.
  13. Yes but in that case you will get the opportunity to face the officer making false accusations and submit evidence to rebut his accusations in court. Innocent until proven guilty.

    With a traffic camera equipped with an automated system it essentially becomes the accuser,judge,and jury. And you guilty until proven innocent(if you choose to fight it).

    That's not what our constitution represents.
  14. adamrussell

    adamrussell TS Rookie

    So basically, instead of chasing the bad guys they spend all day filing false police reports.
  15. Guest17

    Guest17 TS Enthusiast Posts: 92   +37

    The idea that Waze can be used to "stalk" police is just a red herring. Everyone knows that if you ever want to know where a cop is all you have to do is hang out at a Dunkin' Donuts.
  16. war59312

    war59312 TS Booster Posts: 114

    DDOSing Waze By Police. lol
  17. Rasta211

    Rasta211 TS Booster Posts: 209   +30

    This tells me that Waze is actually useful and accurate. I'll use it even more now! Since we can just report that the cop car (fake car) is no longer there.
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  18. infiltrator

    infiltrator TS Booster Posts: 140   +21

    I am not saying introducing new laws is a bad thing, it surely help keep people/things safe. But I believe the more laws are introduced, the more people will be tempted to try to break it. And I agree with what you said,

    "The sad truth is they want people breaking the law, as much as the people want to break the law".
  19. Never heard of Waze, thank you Miami police, I just installed it on my phone.
  20. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 11,467   +1,760

    No, actually tribute is from the Latin. Unless of course we're considering the Romans a 'tribe', in which case 'you're right on the money.' <(bad pun alert :eek:)
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2015
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  21. cartera

    cartera TS Addict Posts: 276   +67

    Yep, well done Miami police for providing Waze with some free marketing. Regardless this won't really change anything imo.
  22. They don't care about that, it's the ticketing and generating that revenue that's paramount.
  23. JakeT

    JakeT TS Member Posts: 74   +20

    Doesn't Waze have rights as a company to not have their product (app) used as a tool for fraud by the police departments?
  24. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,430   +2,822

    If anyone's rights are being violated, I'd say it was the polices rights. They should have the right to do their job, without being flagged on a map for the world to see.
  25. cartera

    cartera TS Addict Posts: 276   +67

    I think you will struggle to argue that it is fraud. The police aren't gaining anything from doing this really and Waze and their users aren't losing anything in real terms.

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