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Vista has better security and deals with roaming profiles better. It has many more group policy options that allow administrators to better manage large networks. For the home user, it comes on new machines but I wouldnt ever tell anyone to throw out their copy of Windows XP to buy Windows Vista. I would say that a new machine with Vista is preferable to uninstalling it and slapping XP on a nice shiny new machine.

Thanks Yukka,Guest
wow guest, you have had a rough go of it with vista,i have had the opposite experience with both vista and 2007 and i really like them both. i have just felt like i was the only one on the planet at times who purchased a copy of office 2007 lol. i have been dual booting vista and W7RC and 7 seems to be a good revision if not a major release.

Must say I'm in a pro-Vista camp. It came out around time when I was building a new machine and CompUSA was going out of business. I picked up a copy at a discount, installed it, and never looked back. My son still uses WinXP Pro, and I must say I like VIsta better. No hard freezes, no problems with the network since SP1 (honestly, didn't have any network problems even with the original installation, but I have a simple network with 4 computers, file server and a couple of network printers). It's kind of funny how Vista bashers complain that they needed to wait till SP1 to fix major kinks - XP users needed to wait till SP2 to have stability issues fixed. My honest opinion - main hangup for vast majority of the people was relearning the interface and initial lack of drivers (but that's the HW manufacturers issue).

Also, about a year ago my motherboard decided to go belly up. I literally swapped the motherboard, CPU and RAM, leaving HDD, video, sound and network cards. I was expecting to do a full reinstall of the system, but all Vista did was to ask for new drivers and it was humming along ever since.

There is a lot of "it works for me so it must work" being posted here. The stability/success of an OS is not measured by how well it works on /your/ PC.

It's a direct reply to those who say "it doesn't work for me therefore it doesn't work" or even worse "I never tried, but heard it doesn't work for someone, therefore it doesn't work." So far in this particular discussion, "works for me" outweighs "doesn't work for me."

originally posted by Caravel:

very true Caravel, but nazarpt is correct about the increasing discussion here. while "it works for me" (and it does) is anecdotal, there is a lot of anecdotal, from a lot of people. and a long history of people who have declared vista a failure, and in the next breath say that they "do not" and "will not ever use it". consider this post from earlier in this thread.

while you can certainly read reviews and opinion on all things computer,and would be wise to before making a purchase. I am not sure how you can declare that an unfinished product is the "done right' version of one you have NEVER used. particularly something as complex and user interface based.
Yesterday we had in here (on this very thread)a poster who in a very rude and egregious manner. launch into a screed, declaring that he was a tech of 20 years and he "friggen hated vista" because, among other things,it needed 256 Gigs of ram to operate, and needed 120-140 Gb's of drive space. another gentleman on one of these threads gave as an anti vista,and Microsoft reasoning, that windows is too vulnerable to security attack. well those who author and launch viruses do so to watch the havoc of their efforts. what are they going to aim their efforts at? Linux? an OS that has just managed to capture 1% of the market? methinks not. I have the opportunity to meet the leaders, owners ,and managers of business in my profession. and overwhelmingly, those who use Vista report to be satisfied with it. while that may still prove to be anecdotal, to buy in to the notion that 'vista is a disaster' by those who offer faulty or disingenuous statement of fact, or those who have not even used it. would be asking me to deny my own experiences.....and im not going to do that. so to quote nazartp "works for me" outweighs "doesn't work for me" IMO

linux 1% market share source:http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&sample=35

I think perhaps Billy Bob meant to say "I tried to use Vista on tech that was 20 years old?" ;-)

Seriously though, I hope that any of you who stumble across these comments, or any of millions of other 'Vista sucks/doesn't' threads don't take posts like that too seriously.

Just remember that its the haters (for whatever reason) that are more compelled to go out and post about it. Most of us are able to use Vista without any troubles, or at least no more than people on XP, Macs, etc have.

I must have been the only one on Earth that *NEVER* had a problem with WinME. I had bought the $49.99 white box upgrade from 98SE, and it worked up until last year when I retired the computer.

The secret was NOT to install over 98! I had read an article about the upgrades only needing to read an orig 98 disc during the install. I tried installing it on a blank drive, and sure enough, it popped up "Insert a Windows 98 disc" which I did, and BOOM, after reinstalling the ME disc, I never had a problem with it.

VISTA, on the other hand, Ultimate 64 BSOD me a LOT. The machine would sit idle, I'd get a BSOD. I'd surf the 'net with MSIE 7, it'd BSOD. I tried updating a GPS, and the BSOD bricked my Magellian. I'm running a AMD Quad 9660 with 6GIG of RAM, radeon graphics. Thought for sure it would have been a powerful enough system for Vista, but I was wrong.

Will I migrate to 7? Nah, I'm happy with XP Pro on my powerhouse and Windows XP MCE 2005 on my video server. That runs REALLY nice on my P3 800mhz dual processor HP Kayak. For only have 768 megs of RAMBUS memory, it's smooooooooth.

:haha: exactly

no way i will pay !! I paid 259.00 for vista ult. Unless its a free update for vista ult. I won't pay I dime.

Its still expensive especially since Apple just said at WWDC that Snow Leopard will be $29. I have been using windows 7 since RC1 came out and its a huge improvement over Vista but its still way to much money.

I dont buy MS operating systems - I get them bundled with new systems when I get one. To buy, they are too expensive. 250quid for a retail ultimate version of vista is crazy and I cannot understand anyone doing it. I may consider an upgrade for 100dollars, if that translates into 75quid. I would prefer it to be 50 but I cannot see it happen. Also consider does not equal definate purchase

Yukka,
thats about the price i saw 'leaked' for the home version, supposedly 7 is going to be much less than Vista is. or even XP

I have a two-month-old Sony Vaio VGN-Z610Y with a 2.4 GHz Intel processor, 8Gb of memory, 285 Gb HDD, running Vista Ultimate SP2.

I see the BSOD at *least* twice a day, from APPCRASH restarts while opening (or closing) IE8, MS Money, Office, Live Mail, and especially WMP11.

I've rebuilt my two-month-old Sony Vaio no fewer than three times in the last two months, redownloaded all the updated drivers from Windows Update, applied all recommended fixes, patches and settings, using original Microsoft software (with genuine license keys), and it nonetheless will spontaneously restart several times through the day. At *least* twice a day I see the APPCRASH error appear, and I'm forced to wait for the error dump file to write; I reboot, and wonder not *if* it will happen again in the next few hours, but *when* will it happen again in the next few hours.

Yes, I've done all the Sony hardware and software support calls I can make; there is nothing wrong with the hardware, the errors keep occurring from user profile settings that won't stay untouched by Windows Vista Ultimate and by the many Microsoft products that try to interact with each other, but fail miserably.

I've got better things to do than sit all day with a phone to my ear waiting for Microsoft to fix what never did work.

I have a two-month-old Sony Vaio VGN-Z610Y with a 2.4 GHz Intel processor, 8Gb of memory, 285 Gb HDD, running Vista Ultimate SP2.

I see the BSOD at *least* twice a day, from APPCRASH restarts while opening (or closing) IE8, MS Money, Office, Live Mail, and especially WMP11.

I've rebuilt my two-month-old Sony Vaio no fewer than three times in the last two months, redownloaded all the updated drivers from Windows Update, applied all recommended fixes, patches and settings, using original Microsoft software (with genuine license keys), and it nonetheless will spontaneously restart several times through the day. At *least* twice a day I see the APPCRASH error appear, and I'm forced to wait for the error dump file to write; I reboot, and wonder not *if* it will happen again in the next few hours, but *when* will it happen again in the next few hours.

Yes, I've done all the Sony hardware and software support calls I can make; there is nothing wrong with the hardware, the errors keep occurring from user profile settings that won't stay untouched by Windows Vista Ultimate and by the many Microsoft products that try to interact with each other, but fail miserably.

I've got better things to do than sit all day with a phone to my ear waiting for Microsoft to fix what never did work.

After reading your intelligent and well backgrounded posts for a long time, SNGX1275, I am surprised at your attitude and narrow focus.
Our shops see at least 33-35 people a month with definite serious problems with VISTA. True, some are the early versions of computers that were not ready for VISTA. True, that many of them were Compaq, Sony, or eMachines, or Media Center machines where the real problem was with the computer manufacturer rather than VISTA... but still a significant number of problems were VISTA problems on good machines... where the problem was not the fault of the computer alone, and not the fault of the user.
Bad things happen with VISTA on a variety of machines, not just because you have not seen it happen wherever you are.
It is my impression that when there is a problem, it creates greater difficulty than did Windows XP. And it could have been prevented by better communication between Microsoft and the computer manufacturer...
Of particular note is the Sony and the HP media center machine... but there are others.

Been running Vista x64 since November 2007, and have had about 4 BSOD's since. The first happen during the install and I needed to provide x64 drivers for my RAID controller to fix it. The remaining 3 are all the blame of Nvidia, and I've had to upgrade their drivers each time to fix those. I can't really find a fault in Vista that wasn't caused by 3rd party driver issues. Tossing those things to the side Microsoft really did put together a nice peppy OS, even if it does bulk up like an American football player.

IMO vista was plagued with the 3rd party software companies not having proper drivers...at first. I think it comes down to having the proper hardware. I've installed it on two machines, and have a notebook with it as well. the bsod's I've had are oc'ing related. Not vista's fault.