LG's new Ultra HD 4K TV lineup is priced to sell, starting at $1,499

[Lionvibez]

Laughed at or not, I don't want anything Panasonic. This is TechSpot not AVS forums, we may have a difference of opinion. Besides what gives AVS forums any more credibility than any of us? I'm sure we have just as much experience, as most of those guys.

Techspot is a general hardware site.

AVS covers audio/tv only that is there area of expertise. There are industry professionals that post in those forums that have the credentials to backup said opinions. Don't get me wrong I love techspot this is a great site, but when I need information or have questions on TV's this is not the site I come to.

 

[Lionvibez]

LG better than Panasonic??

Go into the AVS forums and post that you will get laughed at.

Speaking as someone who used to box up defective product and send it back, Panasonic was junk. Additionally, their line of, "Technics" receivers, were never quite able to meet their published specs. The turntables, OTOH, worked well, and sold even better.

If you want stone, hard core trash, you have to involve yourself with JVC's product. :moonsallofJapan: Then there's Sharp....:holdsnose:

The only piece of LG I have ATM, is a Blu-Ray burner. I've never burned or played a Blu-Ray disc with it, but the tray drive seems indestructible! I'[ve gotten 1/2 dozen discs in sideways, locked it up, yanked the tray out to unjam them, and it's still kickin'. If it were a Pioneer or Toshiba, it would be long in the trash by now.

I cannot speak about panasonics other products but there is a reason they are regarded #1 for TV's.

Also I'm not talking about low/med end models I'm referring to highend!

Nothing under $2000

You can easily google this fact.

And for the record I own a samsung tv!

 

[captaincranky]

I cannot speak about panasonics other products but there is a reason they are regarded #1 for TV's.

Well, that's nice but, if a brand doesn't build up my confidence with it's lower end products, then it stands little to no chance of me spending money on one of its more expensive items.

Google, "once bitten, twice shy". Google, "throwing good money after bad". And while I freely admit this may seem like petty superstition to some, it works for me.

Also I'm not talking about low/med end models I'm referring to highend!

Nothing under $2000

Well, that makes me safe from all things Panasonic for the foreseeable future. Simply by virtue of the fact there's no way in hell in I'm spending 2K on a TV, even if it happens to be 4K. (See what I did there)?

You can easily google this fact.

I can easily "google"a lot of things. However, beings as I'm in large part a humble dirty old man, a majority of my searches begin with , the girl's name, the studio's name, and the name of the shoot. Note those aren't in any way related to "hard core electronic esoterica", but at times may be merely hard core....

And for the record I own a samsung tv!

Well that's a pretty uppity brand, you name dropper you! :kidding:

If I want to know who manufactured my TVs, I have to google the UL number..... ("Dynex", "Proscan", "Insignia").

I will say this, after reading so many bull s*** reviews at Newegg, Amazon, and elsewhere, (even my own), sometimes I think it's better to "learn by doing", than to take "anonymous's" word for anything.

You would think that a "Westinghouse" monitor, (most likely Funai), wouldn't perform as well as a Samsung. Yet my 8+ year old Westie, has much better color rendering than my Samsung of the same size. (22" 1680 x 1050 TN). I use the Westinghouse day in,day out, and the Toshiba is boxed up in the back bedroom. In fact, my unhappiness with the Tosh, lead me to purchase two IPS monitors to replace it.

Please note, I'm not trolling here, but restating the common disclaimer: "your results may vary".

 

[amstech]

Techspot is a general hardware site.

AVS covers audio/tv only that is there area of expertise. There are industry professionals that post in those forums that have the credentials to backup said opinions. Don't get me wrong I love techspot this is a great site, but when I need information or have questions on TV's this is not the site I come to.

Thats nice but AVS is just an average site with a few good members here and there, like any other forum/tech site. They are guilty of having biased jib jabber members like everyone else, even ones with respected reputations. I've spent countless hours on plenty of audio/visual forums and LG has a better reputation then Panasonic, no question.
I bought my dad a 42" Panasonic Plasma because I got some deal on it, its two years newer then my first LG and it broke after 1 year, we had to send it back for repair. My 42LG50 is going on 5 years with no problems.
We have a couple Panasonic projectors here at the hospital, both of them new and above 5K and we've had issues with both, one we had to send back and Panasonic's RMA (model # PT-VW330U) process took 5 weeks to get it back.
I've never heard of Panasonic being anything great and I put them with Sanyo and Sharp as decent crap brands.
LG is up there with Sony and Samsung in terms of picture quality, value and performance.
I believe I read somewhere LG and Samsung were getting their panels from the same manufacturer for awhile but that was years ago, not sure if thats true. But as far as you claiming anything you say is fact is just biased immature ranting.

 

[cliffordcooley]

I've never heard of Panasonic being anything great and I put them with Sanyo and Sharp as decent crap brands.
LG is up there with Sony and Samsung in terms of picture quality, value and performance.

I'm no expert on the matter. But for some reason, that is the opinion I have as well.

 

[Lionvibez]

And that's the opposite from what I hear and I know many professional installers and some few people that calibrate tv's for a living.

But were all entitled to our opinons.

I've never seen LG anywhere close to the top for picture quality.

Every round up I've even seen of high end LCD/Plasma usually look like this.

http://www.cnet.com/topics/tvs/best-tvs/picture-quality/

I also said Highend.

"42" Panasonic Plasma"

what model because I don't believe this fits the bill!

My so called immature ranting as you call it.

Save the personal insults I'm not really interested in hearing it you don't know anything about me. You can google everthing I said the facts are all over the internet. What you choose to believe though is your business I'm not here to convert any of you.

This is my experience dealing with High end Plasma tv's, In the $2000-$5000 price range.

 

[Lionvibez]

Well, that's nice but, if a brand doesn't build up my confidence with it's lower end products, then it stands little to no chance of me spending money on one of its more expensive items.

Google, "once bitten, twice shy". Google, "throwing good money after bad". And while I freely admit this may seem like petty superstition to some, it works for me.

Well, that makes me safe from all things Panasonic for the foreseeable future. Simply by virtue of the fact there's no way in hell in I'm spending 2K on a TV, even if it happens to be 4K. (See what I did there)?

I can easily "google"a lot of things. However, beings as I'm in large part a humble dirty old man, a majority of my searches begin with , the girl's name, the studio's name, and the name of the shoot. Note those aren't in any way related to "hard core electronic esoterica", but at times may be merely hard core....

Well that's a pretty uppity brand, you name dropper you! :kidding:

If I want to know who manufactured my TVs, I have to google the UL number..... ("Dynex", "Proscan", "Insignia").

I will say this, after reading so many bull s*** reviews at Newegg, Amazon, and elsewhere, (even my own), sometimes I think it's better to "learn by doing", than to take "anonymous's" word for anything.

You would think that a "Westinghouse" monitor, (most likely Funai), wouldn't perform as well as a Samsung. Yet my 8+ year old Westie, has much better color rendering than my Samsung of the same size. (22" 1680 x 1050 TN). I use the Westinghouse day in,day out, and the Toshiba is boxed up in the back bedroom. In fact, my unhappiness with the Tosh, lead me to purchase two IPS monitors to replace it.

Please note, I'm not trolling here, but restating the common disclaimer: "your results may vary".

ok I'm done here you are actually comparing your TN panel computer monitor to a IPS Westinghouse tv and are suprised that it has better colour????

I really hope you are kidding

There is a big difference in picture quality from a $1500 tv to a $3500 any professional will tell you this. The information is all over the internet if you guys have some down time on a sunday afternoon and are actually interested in finding out more take alook.

 

[captaincranky]

ok I'm done here you care actually comparing your TN panel computer monitor to a IPS Westinghouse tv and are suprised that it has better colour????

No! look again! I compared two identical class products, a 22" 1680 x 1050 Westinghouse TN monitor, with a 22" Samsung 1680 x 1050 TN monitor. As I said before, the Samsung is junk, (IMHO), as I couldn't get the excess green out out the the tonal balance.

OK, since you want to quote, "other experts", while telling us what is good or bad, let me tell you this; I have an associates degree in photography, which places me in an informed position to have an valid opinion on color rendering. In other words, I would have never passed the color photography courses, if I couldn't do lifelike, correct, color balancing, in both color print and photoshop mediums, either on screen, or on paper.

I really hope you are kidding

No I wasn't kidding, but either my writing skills need honed, or you should consider a remedial reading course.

Try reading this again, paying particular to the portion I have in bold type:

You would think that a "Westinghouse" monitor, (most likely Funai), wouldn't perform as well as a Samsung. Yet my 8+ year old Westie, has much better color rendering than my Samsung of the same size. (22" 1680 x 1050 TN). I use the Westinghouse day in,day out, and the Toshiba is boxed up in the back bedroom. In fact, my unhappiness with the Tosh, lead me to purchase two IPS monitors to replace it.

One a 23" Dell, which itself is almost junk, save for the 178 degree angle of view. And two, a 24" HP, with 350 nits of output. If you have seen one of these, you'll immediately know why I think all this 200 nit LED garbage, is exactly that, garbage.

There is a big difference in picture quality from a $1500 tv to a $3500 any professional will tell you this. The information is all over the internet if you guys have some down time on a sunday afternoon and are actually interested in finding out more take alook.

I haven't the slightest inclination to waste my Sunday, an evening, or any other time, searching the web for comparison specs on TVs I neither want, nor can afford.

To me, this sounds like a bunch of juvenile nonsense where someone tells me, "my friends car is faster than yours". And then I say, well how about your car, is that faster than my car? At which juncture, you say, "but I don't have a car". So let's leave it at that, shall we?

You think Panasonic is the sheet, go buy one.

 

[Lionvibez]

"You think Panasonic is the sheet, go buy one."

Its not just me that is the word in the TV market!

I already told you I own a High end Samsung plasma I don't need it. Just telling you my opinon LG is not known for High Quallity High end TV's. And I mentioned google if bored on a sunday because acquiring more knowledge is never a bad thing.

I look up tons of stuff I cannot afford because the knowledge is important to me because I like to know.

And yes I misread the TN part I use to have a Samsung 225BW great monitor in its time but the TN drove me crazy I was happy to get rid of it. I had to same issue with the green on it mad me want to puke lol

 

[captaincranky]

Its not just me that is the word in the TV market!

I already told you I own a High end Samsung plasma I don't need it. Just telling you my opinon LG is not known for High Quallity High end TV's. And I mentioned google if bored on a sunday because acquiring more knowledge is never a bad thing.

Save for the fact this is pure trivia. I seriously doubt if , "who makes the best flat panel TV", will ever even become a category on, "Jeopardy".

Try and wrap your head around this, I buy my TVs, (if possible), on Black Friday at Best Buy. I get there early, and buy, (what I believe to be), the biggest loss leader they have advertised. I even drive to Delaware to save the sales tax. Guess what, my last one was a 46" LED for $329.95. I'm f***ing thrilled with it. Even if I weren't, I would have to buy 10 of them to throw them away, before I ever got near the price point of the TVs you're talking about

Then there's this, I never said that LG was good, bad, or mediocre (*). Accordingly, I haven't the vaguest idea why you've gotten it in your head that I did. If you read my prior posts, I listed the TVs I do have, none of which are made by LG.

So, really think you should save some of your pent up frustration, and vent it on the member who did say that LG was good.

I look up tons of stuff I cannot afford because the knowledge is important to me because I like to know.

I completely agree that the acquisition of knowledge is admirable, and is its own reward. However, I also believe we're at the point here where I have to say, "enough is enough". eace:

And yes I misread the TN part I use to have a Samsung 225BW great monitor in its time but the TN drove me crazy I was happy to get rid of it. I had to same issue with the green on it mad me want to puke lol

Here we agree, the product doesn't live up to its hype or reputation.

I buy products based on what happened the last time I bought, "xxxx" brand, not really on internet hype, which one has the better ad, or what "so and so" told me. At the end of the day, I keep buying General Electric's stuff, 'cause it's always been really, really good to me.(y)

(*) I did say I had an LG Blu-Ray burner, and its tray drive seems to be really rugged. That hardly constitutes an endorsement of their whole line.

 

[Lionvibez]

I started this whole thing by just saying LG isn't known at the Highend that was my whole point. I'm not trying to argue with either of you as I read lot of your comments and do agree with you guys on many other things. I was just stating my personal opinon and the facts that I know from people in that industry. If you are happy with what ever brands tv you purchase and if they meet your needs that's the only thing matters at the end of the day as I said I'm not trying to convert anyone.

There is no pent up frustation at all I'm 34 years old and have been on the internet for like 20 years now the difference of opinons is a standard thing. To be honest I don't know any of you like that for you to actually get under my skin.

 

[captaincranky]

I started this whole thing by just saying LG isn't known at the Highend that was my whole point. I'm not trying to argue with either of you as I read lot of your comments and do agree with you guys on many other things. I was just stating my personal opinon and the facts that I know from people in that industry. If you are happy with what ever brands tv you purchase and if they meet your needs are all that matter at the end of the day as I said I'm not trying to convert anyone.

But, I never asked you if it was or not. My initial participation in this thread addressed itself to what I believe is a rational approach to how much resolution is necessary, not to brand comparison.

IMHO, you don't need 4K, unless you indeed do, want to see razor pimples in the new, "Miss America's", bikini area.

There is no pent up frustation at all I'm 34 years old and have been on the internet for like 20 years now the difference of opinons is a standard thing. To be honest I don't know any of you like that for you to actually get on my skin.

Speaking from the perspective of a 65 year old, Panasonic was junk before you were born, (save for their turntables), and "LG", wasn't even a "name brand", since it didn't exist. The first Atari "floppy drive", was $400.00, and barely worked. I'll spare you any further electronics history or histrionics.

As far as, "pent up frustration goes", in my experience, "the first sign of anything is denying it".... I'm subject to tantrums and fits of rage. I had hoped I'd outgrow them, but then I realized, there are things in this world that should enrage any sane person. So, I'll just continue to work on getting that part of me under control......Hm, perhaps offline.

 

[Lionvibez]

Speaking from the perspective of a 65 year old, Panasonic was junk before you were born, (save for their turntables), and "LG", wasn't even a "name brand", since it didn't exist. The first Atari "floppy drive", was $400.00, and barely worked. I'll spare you any further electronics history or histrionics.

As far as, "pent up frustration goes", in my experience, "the first sign of anything is denying it".... I'm subject to tantrums and fits of rage. I had hoped I'd outgrow them, but then I realized, there are things in this world that should enrage any sane person. So, I'll just continue to work on getting that part of me under control......Hm, perhaps offline.

That may be so but none of that is relevant to Panasonic of 2014 and specifically to their Highend TV line up that I'm referring too.

As for the rage thing you suggested it and I'm telling you I was never angry over this things like this don't bother me at all. In my experience people shouldn't be assuming stuff about others they don't know over the internet

 

[captaincranky]

..[ ]...As for the rage thing you suggested it and I'm telling you I was never angry over this things like this don't bother me at all. In my experience people shouldn't be assuming stuff about others they don't know over the internet

Well, I think that if you don't examine the mindset of people on the internet, you're a fool. Since you've suggested a reading assignment for me, here's one for you; go to Newegg and read a couple of hundred computer parts reviews, and try to assess where some of those peoples heads are at.

Now, you're trying to ram knowledge down my throat that I have no want, need, use, or time for. You're trying to force me to be interested in the same thing you are. At this juncture, I cordially invite you to, "buzz off".

BTW, I attached the term "rage", to myself not to you. Another slight failure of interpretation on your part?

 

[Lionvibez]

Lol you are cranky.

I don't need to go to see newegg to see numerous clueless people posting stuff that don't know what they are doing I'm well aware of what goes on there. You also have marketing shills posting there.

Newegg is a reseller and doesn't have the wealth of information you will find on the AVS forums. As I said there are professionals posting on AVS aswell as users Newegg is just users and most of them clueless.

Captain you don't have to do anything I suggested you take alook if interested. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

I don't have a problem with you tell me to buzz off

I don't take anything personal on the internet.

Have a good day sir!

 

[captaincranky]

Lol you are cranky.

And hence my screen name.

I don't need to go to see newegg to see numerous clueless people posting stuff that don't know what they are doing I'm well aware of what goes on there. You also have marketing shills posting there.

Would you agree that you indeed have to "profile them", to know who is who?

Newegg is a reseller and doesn't have the wealth of information you will find on the AVS forums. As I said there are professionals posting on AVS as well as users.

But here again, you have to evaluate the individual to determine that.

Captain you don't have to do anything I suggested you take alook if interested. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

Here you are, (perhaps "were"), pursuing the issue with an almost rabid enthusiasm. And so, I respectfully refuse to learn.

I don't have a problem with you tell me to buzz off

And I don't have a problem telling you to "buzz off". (Sorry, I know that was a cheap shot, but it practically cried out in agony for that response).

Have a good day sir!

And you do the same!