Lousy cable downloads & big packet loss: ethernet

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My cable ISP announced it was doubling my plan's download speed last December, to 200 mbps. As my chip's capacity is only 100 (old Dell Inspiron 600m, XP SP3) this was not very helpful. However, in the last month, my download speeds have really cratered. Speedtest.net says d/l never exceeds 20 mbps, although uploads can be almost normal (6-11). I am direct-connected by ethernet.

Naturally I contacted the ISP, and was told over the phone that my account had packet loss ranging from 5-80% almost every hours, sometimes multiple in an hour. They said it was nothing wrong on my end, that the problem was between their exchange and their ultimate 'server'. Because I was the only customer on my 'blade', they felt no urgency to fix the matter. I asked for a fix to be scheduled, but things still stank a week later, so I called and asked for a specific date. Now they insisted I had to go through the kabuki of a service tech coming out to check all my local connections, and replace the modem.

Jumping ahead, they found no connection problems, replaced the modem (same model, Technicolor) and said the speed problem had to be in my antique computer.

Today I tried Last Known Good Configuration (no improv't), tried Safe Mode w/Networking (to run speedtest) but couldn't connect w/internet that way. Did a scan w/Malwarebytes, detected no malware. Decided to do a System Restore to a month ago, but only available dates were this month (fishy), SR did not fix problem.

I'd appreciate any advice on how to pinpoint where the issue is, so I can fix it. These speeds are near-dialup, and it's really messing me up.

Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Depending on which isp you are with right now, ask them if you can buy your own cable modem.
With comcast they pretty much don't care as long as you are willing to do things yourself and troubleshoot problems on your end.
I suggest you also look into cat6 ethernet cables to help support the upload and download speeds of your current cable modem.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0026HSQ3I/?tag=httpwwwtechsp-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XH46MWW/?tag=httpwwwtechsp-20

This would also be great to have aslong as your home isn't too big.
My house is a 2 story and my netgear router hits every device with really good quality speed.
 
MaikuTech:

So are you saying that you believe the problem is the modem? Is this also the reason I can't connect to the internet even when I'm in Safe Mode w/Networking?

I have considered buying my own modem. I previously did that when my service was internet only, but when I switched to voice + internet they threw in the modem.

Thanks a lot.
 
Well to be sure if its the router, open up command prompt in windows xp, type ipconfig /all
See if the dhcp server is active and pulling a ip address from your isp provider.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/11294-43-address-question
If its not call your isp provider and ask for technical support before you do anything else.
Some modem routers like surfboard and motorola have their problems.
When they get physically hot it makes the whole internet connection to go to hell and back again.
I've had the problem a long time and comcast finally decided to stop using a few modem brands.
 
Do you have another device in your house to check speeds with? Phone perhaps? This way you can help pinpoint the issue towards or away from the Dell. If you don't have another device, take your laptop to another location with similar speeds and see if it still does it.
 
MaikuTech:

So are you saying that you believe the problem is the modem? Is this also the reason I can't connect to the internet even when I'm in Safe Mode w/Networking?
Unless you select Safe Mode With Networking, S.M. will never connect
 
Boot normally, get a Command Prompt, then enter TRACERT GOOGLE.COM
This will show the TCP path from you to google and the delay between each node.

If you want to see the gory reliability, use PATHPING GOOGLE.COM
it will take about 3 minutes; look for packet losses between nodes
 
MaikuTech: The DHCP to my ISP is active.
Delrey: I have a slightly new Acer Travelmate lying around, but w/no power brick (gift horse). I'm ordering an adapter and hope to have it by the end of this week, and will test then.
JO Beard: Yes, I clicked on Safe Mode w/Networking (see original post), and I couldn't get online. I followed your suggestion re: TRACERT and PING GOOGLE.COM. Interestingly, the response is Unable to resolve target system name GOOGLE.COM. What does this mean?

I didn't mention earlier, but I haven't been able to get into my modem's gateway, either.

(JO Beard: Time for a new laptop? Maybe so, but as I'm broke on disability, it'll have to get in line behind a lot of other things.)
 
Failures in tracert, pathping or ping to resolve a name is a TCP DNS failure and not related to the machine itself. REBOOT
 
JO BEARD: Here is a copy of the revised TRACERT:

Tracing route to GOOGLE.COM [172.217.7.14]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 10 ms 12 ms 11 ms cpe-67-244-16-1.nyc.res.rr.com [67.244.16.1]
2 15 ms 12 ms 12 ms be61.nyclnyjw01h.nyc.rr.com [68.173.200.68]
3 13 ms 12 ms 14 ms agg114.nyclnyrg01r.nyc.rr.com [68.173.198.24]
4 31 ms 16 ms 15 ms bu-ether29.nwrknjmd67w-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [107.1
4.19.24]
5 13 ms 15 ms 15 ms bu-ether12.nycmny837aw-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.10
9.6.27]
6 11 ms 10 ms 68 ms 0.ae2.pr0.nyc20.tbone.rr.com [107.14.19.147]
7 12 ms 15 ms 12 ms ix-ae-10-0.tcore1.N75-New-York.as6453.net [66.11
0.96.13]
8 10 ms 11 ms 12 ms 72.14.195.232
9 13 ms 12 ms 10 ms 108.170.248.1
10 11 ms 11 ms 14 ms 108.170.237.213
11 14 ms 16 ms 6 ms lga25s56-in-f14.1e100.net [172.217.7.14]

Trace complete.

Does this look okay to you?
 
JO BEARD: Here's the PING REPORT:

Tracing route to GOOGLE.COM [172.217.10.110]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
0 home-63967577f9.nyc.rr.com [67.244.17.110]
1 cpe-67-244-16-1.nyc.res.rr.com [67.244.16.1]
2 be61.nyclnyjw02h.nyc.rr.com [68.173.200.70]
3 agg114.nyquny9101r.nyc.rr.com [68.173.198.26]
4 bu-ether15.nycmny837aw-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.76]
5 0.ae4.pr0.nyc20.tbone.rr.com [66.109.1.35]
6 ix-ae-6-0.tcore1.N75-New-York.as6453.net [66.110.96.53]
7 72.14.195.232
8 * * *
Computing statistics for 200 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 home-63967577f9.nyc.rr.com [67.244 .17.110]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 12ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% cpe-67-244-16-1.nyc.res.rr.com [67.244.16.1]
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 11ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% be61.nyclnyjw02h.nyc.rr.com [68.173.200.70]
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 14ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% agg114.nyquny9101r.nyc.rr.com [68.173.198.26]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 16ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% bu-ether15.nycmny837aw-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.76]
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 14ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 0.ae4.pr0.nyc20.tbone.rr.com [66.109.1.35]
0/ 100 = 0% |
6 12ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ix-ae-6-0.tcore1.N75-New-York.as6453.net [66.110.96.53]
0/ 100 = 0% |
7 13ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 72.14.195.232 100/ 100 =100% |
8 --- 100/ 100 =100% 0/ 100 = 0% home-63967577f9 [0.0.0.0]

Trace complete.

It looks good until the end. Is that relevant? Please advise Thanks again.
 
Goods "ok" in that the name GOOGLE resolves to an IP address 172.217.7.14 and that it can be reached:

  • 11 14 ms 16 ms 6 ms lga25s56-in-f14.1e100.net [172.217.7.14]

number 6 is slow but there's nothing you can do about it
  • 6 11 ms 10 ms 68 ms 0.ae2.pr0.nyc20.tbone.rr.com [107.14.19.147]
 
JO BEARD: Here's the PING REPORT:

Tracing route to GOOGLE.COM [172.217.10.110]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
0 home-63967577f9.nyc.rr.com [67.244.17.110]
1 cpe-67-244-16-1.nyc.res.rr.com [67.244.16.1]
2 be61.nyclnyjw02h.nyc.rr.com [68.173.200.70]
3 agg114.nyquny9101r.nyc.rr.com [68.173.198.26]
4 bu-ether15.nycmny837aw-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.76]
5 0.ae4.pr0.nyc20.tbone.rr.com [66.109.1.35]
6 ix-ae-6-0.tcore1.N75-New-York.as6453.net [66.110.96.53]
7 72.14.195.232
8 * * *
Computing statistics for 200 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 home-63967577f9.nyc.rr.com [67.244 .17.110]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 12ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% cpe-67-244-16-1.nyc.res.rr.com [67.244.16.1]
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 11ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% be61.nyclnyjw02h.nyc.rr.com [68.173.200.70]
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 14ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% agg114.nyquny9101r.nyc.rr.com [68.173.198.26]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 16ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% bu-ether15.nycmny837aw-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.76]
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 14ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 0.ae4.pr0.nyc20.tbone.rr.com [66.109.1.35]
0/ 100 = 0% |
6 12ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ix-ae-6-0.tcore1.N75-New-York.as6453.net [66.110.96.53]
0/ 100 = 0% |
7 13ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 72.14.195.232 100/ 100 =100% |
8 --- 100/ 100 =100% 0/ 100 = 0% home-63967577f9 [0.0.0.0] << CAME BACK TO YOUR SYSTEM :(

Trace complete.

It looks good until the end. Is that relevant? Please advise Thanks again.

should have ended at GOOGLE.COM [172.217.10.110]
and home-63967577f9 [0.0.0.0] should NOT be at the bottom !


power off your router & system, wait 30seconds between
  • restart the router
  • restart the system
 
JO Beard: I rebooted as instructed, then re-ran the PATHPING GOOGLE.COM test.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXXX>PATHPING GOOGLE.COM

Tracing route to GOOGLE.COM [172.217.7.14]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
0 home-63967577f9.nyc.rr.com [67.244.17.110]
1 cpe-67-244-16-1.nyc.res.rr.com [67.244.16.1]
2 be61.nyclnyjw01h.nyc.rr.com [68.173.200.68]
3 agg114.nyclnyrg01r.nyc.rr.com [68.173.198.24]
4 bu-ether29.nwrknjmd67w-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [107.14.19.24]
5 bu-ether12.nycmny837aw-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.27]
6 0.ae2.pr0.nyc20.tbone.rr.com [107.14.19.147]
7 ix-ae-10-0.tcore1.N75-New-York.as6453.net [66.110.96.13]
8 72.14.195.232
9 108.170.248.1
10 108.170.237.213
11 lga25s56-in-f14.1e100.net [172.217.7.14]

Computing statistics for 275 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 home-63967577f9.nyc.rr.com [67.244.17.110]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 12ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% cpe-67-244-16-1.nyc.res.rr.com [67.244.16.1]
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 12ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% be61.nyclnyjw01h.nyc.rr.com [68.173.200.68]
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 14ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% agg114.nyclnyrg01r.nyc.rr.com [68.173.198.24]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 17ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% bu-ether29.nwrknjmd67w-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [107.14.19.24]
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 17ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% bu-ether12.nycmny837aw-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.27]
0/ 100 = 0% |
6 15ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 0.ae2.pr0.nyc20.tbone.rr.com [107.14.19.147]
0/ 100 = 0% |
7 13ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ix-ae-10-0.tcore1.N75-New-York.as6453.net [66.110.96.13]
0/ 100 = 0% |
8 14ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 72.14.195.232
0/ 100 = 0% |
9 15ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 108.170.248.1
0/ 100 = 0% |
10 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 108.170.237.213
0/ 100 = 0% |
11 13ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% lga25s56-in-f14.1e100.net [172.217.7.14]

Trace complete.

What does this look like to you? Thanks.
 
JO: Glad to hear it. Still, I don't understand how I have lost so much speed. Before the 'increase' by my ISP, I was able to clock downloads at an average of 70 mbps - with the same l/t and settings I have now. Why has it declined so dramatically? Is the upgrade actually depressing my speeds?
 
That would be something your isp technical support could answer directly.
If you feel fine with it tell us who your isp provider is.
The reason why I am asking because it is hard to tell where your problem maybe at.
 
Maiku: My ISP is Time Warner/Spectrum. The 2 of their techs that came to my place insisted the speeds were slow because my 'computer is so old'. When I first called about the problem in late March the phone tech said the problem was between the Spectrum exchange and their DNS server. Yesterday when I called I was told not the case, but that rep also refused to look at previous case notes.
 
Sorry about the late reply, give the upper management a call at TW.
Mentioned that you called in twice and the last customer service rep refused to pull the last case notes to find out what the real problem is.
You tell them you are paying big bucks for a services that don't work.
There must be a network tunneling problem they need to look at in person.
If your Ethernet onboard card is pretty dated.
That could be part of the problem on your end.
 
Maiku: In today's mail I got the adapter for my other laptop, the Acer, which is a few years newer w/more memory, bigger NIC, etc. Tomorrow I'll test it to see if it also gets lousy speeds, and will post results.
 
Maiku: I tested the Acer this weekend with adapter. It has a larger capacity NIC etc. It tested normally (good appropriate speeds). I also bought a USB ethernet converter for my older Dell that has an integrated NIC (max d/l speed 100mbps). It has improved speeds from 20mpbs to around 45mbps. Better, but still not good enough, and not as good as I had prior to ISP 'upgrade' (65-80 mbps).

Do you think I should go to the malware thread to eliminate that as a possible problem? Do you have any other ideas? Thanks for your help.
 
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