No, don't buy the Apple upgrade RAM, you are not buying anything other than regular RAM, just at absurd prices. I have some Crucial RAM in my Powerbook that works great. I'd recommend buying name brand RAM because (at least in the past) Mac system boards have been somewhat picky about what they will run.maxglover1989 said:now my next question is, is the macbook pro worth the money i think im going to go with that laptop because of the independant graphics card what do you suggest?
jonmcc33 said:Windows is far easier because everything works
Rick said:lol... That's the most misinformed thing I've EVER heard. This whole forum exists because it doesn't work.
Assuming this were even true (which we both know is not for any OS), how is this different than Mac OS?jonmcc33 said:Install Windows with default settings and it will work on any PC. It's when you start to install the WRONG things or fiddle in areas you should (registry) is when it doesn't work. That's not the fault of the OS.
I ask, because you implied it does NOT work that way on Mac OS. Explain?"Windows is far easier because everything works"
Rick said:Assuming this were even true (which we both know is not for any OS), how is this different than Mac OS?
Rick said:I ask, because you implied it does NOT work that way on Mac OS. Explain?
You can install Mac OS on any Mac that 'meets system requirements'? So how is this even a point?jonmcc33 said:Given that it meets minimum requirements...yes, you can install Windows on any PC.
Good job blowing a lot of air without any framework to support your assumptions...I'd waste my time trying to explain. If you don't understand then you never will.
Rick said:You can install Mac OS on any Mac that 'meets system requirements'? So how is this even a point?
Rick said:Good job blowing a lot of air without any framework to support your assumptions...
Why should you? The point you brought up was Windows can be installed on any PC and my point is Mac OS can be installed on any Mac. How did this go over your head?jonmcc33 said:You cannot install Mac OS on a PC though can you?
Since you're awesome at twisting threads around, I'd like to get back to the point. When is the last time you installed Mac OS and had to install drivers, for example? Mac OS is guaranteed to work out of the box - and well. Of course, the entire reason is the elitist nature of Apple's locked-in software + hardware model that you so desperately hate.Windows is far easier because everything works
Back at you...I've stated it far too many times in the past to repeat myself to someone with blinders on.
Rick said:Why should you? The point you brought up was Windows can be installed on any PC and my point is Mac OS can be installed on any Mac. How did this go over your head?
Rick said:Since you're awesome at twisting threads around, I'd like to get back to the point. When is the last time you installed Mac OS and had to install drivers, for example? Mac OS is guaranteed to work out of the box - and well. Of course, the entire reason is the elitist nature of Apple's locked-in software + hardware model that you so desperately hate.
Rick said:You're silly to think that Windows works 'OOTB' with its 'default configuration'. That's a frickin' rarity and you know it, if you've worked with PCs at all... I find it really difficult to believe that anyone thinks Windows works better OOTB than Mac OS. If drivers aren't enough of a reason, I can definitely name more. Just ask... Mac OS does work without any configuration and Windows doesn't a vast majority of the time - your argument is radical and nonsensical.
So that makes Windows better than Mac OS? Because its intended install base is different? Linux must be godly, since it works on EVERYTHING.jonmcc33 said:Windows can be installed on any PC and Mac. Mac OS can only be installed on a Mac. It doesn't work with everything. Get it yet?
They do, actually - the ones you need at least. Driver updates are included in your OS updates via software updater.Yep, because hardware manufacturers do not have Mac drivers available at their website I guess!
Hmm.. Apple seems to have done a pretty good job with this. I wonder how they do it? Hmm.Well, as newer hardware comes out obviously it's not going to work out of the box because how can hardware developers make drivers for hardware that doesn't exist yet?
Same applies to Macs... and Windows' Update's ability to download missing drivers is more often a miss than a hit.BUT! Windows does have the ability to go out to the Microsoft website to pull drivers automatically for you. Then of course most hardware that you can buy separately comes with media that has drivers, blah, blah, blah.
A ridiculous argument with no useful logic. The OOTB experience includes buying software from Target or Walmart? Seriously? BTW, there are plenty of Disney Games available for the Mac.If you go to a store like Walmart or Target what are the chances of you being able to find the software you want for Windows as opposed to Mac? My daughter loves her Disney games. Can I buy her a Mac and have her Disney games work on it right out of the box? Nope? Didn't think so...
Rick said:You're silly to think that Windows works 'OOTB' with its 'default configuration'. That's a frickin' rarity and you know it, if you've worked with PCs at all... I find it really difficult to believe that anyone thinks Windows works better OOTB than Mac OS.
You have missed my point... which is you install Mac OS and everything is taken care of. There aren't additional driver CDs or a need to go fishing for things on the web. It just works. Your wireless will work. Your network card will work and so on.fullmetalvegan said:Every single computer I have ever built works 100% no fail rate "OOTB", I build it, plug it in, install Windows - done. No errors, no problems, runs efficient. .
fullmetalvegan said:What the frig? I can't believe you're being serious. Either you buy computers from alleys or you're one of the most terrible PC builders in the world.
Every single computer I have ever built works 100% no fail rate "OOTB", I build it, plug it in, install Windows - done. No errors, no problems, runs efficient. Once users start putting weird things on there or installing wrong, that's where the problems start. PC's working OOTB being a rarity is a completely absurd statement.
And you really must be blind to not understand the point here. The point being made is that Windows is so versatile that you can run any number of programs or hardware on, meaning you are not restricted to what your manufacturer is offering. Apple can only run things designed for Apple hardware/etc; PC's can run anything.
A PC can be updated many, many times before you finally have to make a major update. Whereas Apple you are pretty much stuck with what you got, can't tweak every aspect of its hardware; break something and you have to ship it away. I break my motherboard... I just get a new one and we're sweet in a day or two.
I think if you went all over the net download/buying/etc software and games, most of them won't run on Macs, but ~100% will run on a PC.