Man sues Sony because Killzone: Shadow Fall wasn't actually 1080p

[Guest]

Can you imagine if you walked into a store and bought a 1080p advertised TV to only take it home and it is only a 960x1080 resolution screen. 1080p is a standard, and if they advertised it as such (I haven't confirmed this), then shame on them. Does that warrant a class action suit.... jury is out on that one.

1080p is indeed a standard, like I said. But it DOES NOT mean 1920 vertical lines, the 1080p standard does not specify a number of vertical lines. Just like 1080p may be higher than that (for example, 21:9 2520x1080 is also 1080p), it can also be lower (4:3 1440x1080 is also 1080p).
If a company says "1080p", they are promising 1080 horizontal lines and progressive scan. They are NOT promising 1920 vertical lines.

 

[Adhmuz]

I still think it's a bit early to render judgement on this generation of consoles. It wasn't until a few years into the lifecycle of the previous generation that developers really started exploiting the systems' potential. Because of development costs and increasing programming sophistication, I think that the days of a console coming out and having an impressive library of next-gen games on tap are behind us. Year 1 has become a proof of concept for consoles.

The difference being this generation of console doesn't utilize new unknown Cell or Power PC based hardware, it's x86 based CPU's with AMD graphics, things that have been developed on for over 10 years. There shouldn't be much of a learning curve, or at least not nearly as much as there was when the PS3 launched. Developers know the hardware and what it's capable of within a very small margin, before even starting their project, fine tunning can only go so far.

Also to point out that TV's are sold and advertised as Full 1080p but when you connect them to a pc you need to downscale the image because, oops, it's not actually 1920x1080 resolution. This has been practice for some brands and model lines for many years.

As far as Killzone should be concerned, the single player is rendered in 1920x1080, which IMO is the only part of the game worth playing, the multiplayer was clearly tacked on afterwards, and to maintain a steady frame rate they had to reduce the resolution, but instead of reducing it to 720p they kept their horizontal line count at 1080 and used a width of 960 with a form of upscaling interlacing magic, I rather not do the research to explain it. Thus resulting in, what I can only assume, a better image. Yet still maintaining the golden number of 1080 for advertisement purposes.

As for Mr. Ladore's claim of "blurry to the point of distraction" that can be down to personal opinion and poor eyesight to begin with. What isn't surprising is it's coming from the great state of California, again, the state that everything causes you cancer and everyone sues everyone for anything.

 

[GhostRyder]

How else does the little guy get the attention of a huge company like that?

Simplest way? Stop buying products from the company...

That is the easiest way to send a message to someone, stop buying their products and if enough people stop they will being to listen. Filing a lawsuit against someone as big as Sony even if you win will not help especially in the realms of a class action. Its more of a slap on the wrist in general as it is because normally the amount is not that big if the class-action suit wins.

I feel lawsuits have gotten a bit out of control in this society right now. I do not feel it was necessary to do one in this case and I feel the easier suggestion is to stop buying the products from people that lie.

 

[davislane1]

The difference being this generation of console doesn't utilize new unknown Cell or Power PC based hardware, it's x86 based CPU's with AMD graphics, things that have been developed on for over 10 years. There shouldn't be much of a learning curve, or at least not nearly as much as there was when the PS3 launched. Developers know the hardware and what it's capable of within a very small margin, before even starting their project, fine tunning can only go so far.

This is why I believe this generation will be made or broken within the first two or three years. If I recall correctly, the last generation took four or five years before really getting its feet planted. The more familiar architecture will reduce the learning curve, but the magic and voodoo devs create to fully exploit consoles is not going to be conjured in the first year simply because x86 and AMD. They will need a few years time to develop new solutions to console problems.

If they cannot manage to pull off the usual wizardry, however, I think that's another nail in the console market's coffin. I already feel this will be the last generation of consoles, and a failure to squeeze every drop of water from this batch of rocks (as they have done in previous gens) would only be further proof.

 

[DKRON]

Wait so are people still complaining about 1080P? I thought we passed that issue 8 years ago being a pc gamer

 

[Peter Farkas]

Wait so are people still complaining about 1080P? I thought we passed that issue 8 years ago being a pc gamer

lol, there's the point

 

[hahahanoobs]

I hope this guy wins. He's a f*cking hero for gamers everywhere win or lose. Frivolous lawsuit you say? Pffff, this lawsuit all gamers can benefit from. Imagine having to market a game with a 960x1080 resolution? That wouldn't help sell consoles. Imagine if Next Gen truly meant Next Gen? <That would!

Everyone was so happy to see x86 silicon in a console, and now that a few of its gamers are complaining about sub 1080 resolutions, they're freaking out? Wow... just wow.

 

[Guest]

Everyone was so happy to see x86 silicon in a console, and now that a few of its gamers are complaining about sub 1080 resolutions, they're freaking out? Wow... just wow.

Are you implying the reason consoles don't run games at Full HD is because they use x86 processors and that other CPU architectures would be able to achieve that?
Because if yes, then yo are ridiculously wrong. Consoles don't run games on that resolution due to lack of GPU performance. It has nothing to do with the CPU or what CPU architecture they chose. If they had a PowerPC CPU instead (or any other ISA you prefer), that would change absolutely nothing on the console's capability of rendering at Full HD.

 

[davislane1]

I hope this guy wins. He's a f*cking hero for gamers everywhere win or lose. Frivolous lawsuit you say? Pffff, this lawsuit all gamers can benefit from. Imagine having to market a game with a 960x1080 resolution? That wouldn't help sell consoles. Imagine if Next Gen truly meant Next Gen? <That would!

If I gave half a Klondike about resolution I wouldn't be playing a console to begin with.

 

[Guest]

I always find it funny when people complain that a game has bad graphics, or say they wouldn't have bought the game if they knew it didn't have amazing graphics. 90% of those people would buy the game again and still complain because they just LOVE to *****.

 

[hahahanoobs]

If I gave half a Klondike about resolution I wouldn't be playing a console to begin with.

I'm proud of you, but that is not anywhere near the point of my comment.

 

[hahahanoobs]

Are you implying the reason consoles don't run games at Full HD is because they use x86 processors and that other CPU architectures would be able to achieve that?

Not even close.
The rest of your comment about CPU and GPU not mattering when it comes to gaming is laughable at best.

 

[davislane1]

I'm proud of you, but that is not anywhere near the point of my comment.

You stated that the plaintiff is a hero to gamers everywhere. I demonstrated that he isn't. This not only hits at the point of your comment, but directly refutes it.

The man is suing over a triviality. He's about as heroic as all of those stupendously clever folks who pay their taxes with buckets of coinage.

 

[hahahanoobs]

You stated that the plaintiff is a hero to gamers everywhere. I demonstrated that he isn't. This not only hits at the point of your comment, but directly refutes it.
The man is suing over a triviality. He's about as heroic as all of those stupendously clever folks who pay their taxes with buckets of coinage.

You're funny. Regardless of the outcome, it's a win or stays the same situation for the consumer.

If the lawsuit is lost, either nothing will happen, or a small punishment could require publishers to add the pre-upscaled resolution on the box, possibly having a negative impact on sales, who knows.

If the lawsuit is won, consoles will get better hardware to push native 1080p for console gamers, and PC ports could also be at least a little better. A win could also be the same as the example above and a change to how the resolution is listed on the box.
We'll see what happens.

PS, you can't refute an opinion.
PPS, a woman sued because a coffee she bought spilled and burned her. Now every cup containing a hot liquid must say HOT and Be Careful on it. If that isn't insanely more trivial than a lawsuit over the resolution in a video game, since common sense should tell you a coffee is hot, I don't know what is. Marketing that says 1080 resolution when it really isn't, is technically a lie. Coffee is hot. There is nothing you can say about a (traditional cup of coffee) that would convince you it wasn't hot. Period.

 

[davislane1]

You're funny. Regardless of the outcome, it's a win or stays the same situation for the consumer.

If the lawsuit is lost, either nothing will happen, or a small punishment could require publishers to add the pre-upscaled resolution on the box, possibly having a negative impact on sales, who knows.

If the lawsuit is won, consoles will get better hardware to push native 1080p for console gamers, and PC ports could also be at least a little better. A win could also be the same as the example above and a change to how the resolution is listed on the box.
We'll see what happens.

PS, you can't refute an opinion.
PPS, a woman sued because a coffee she bought spilled and burned her. Now every cup containing a hot liquid must say HOT and Be Careful on it. If that isn't insanely more trivial than a lawsuit over the resolution in a video game, since common sense should tell you a coffee is hot, I don't know what is. Marketing that says 1080 resolution when it really isn't, is technically a lie. Coffee is hot. There is nothing you can say about a (traditional cup of coffee) that would convince you it wasn't hot. Period.

If the lawsuit is won the consoles will not get better hardware. They'll just throw asterisks next to the res information on the box. And yes, an opinion can be refuted. To refute is merely to demonstrate the wrongness of something. Thus, you are refuted four times consecutive!

The coffee suit is a fascinating case but not relevant unless you are calling out the plaintiff. If you mean to suggest that the average gamer – as the average coffee consumer – is too daft to understand that "1080p output" only means that the game supports 1080p, and that this does not mean, "everything on this disc runs at standard 1080p," then I see your point.

A better example would be whatever lawsuit provoked the government to require manufacturers of lawnmowers to ship their products with labels warning people not to stick their fingers underneath the cutting deck..

 

[DAOWAce]

PPS, a woman sued because a coffee she bought spilled and burned her.

Cup of tea spilled and gave me 2nd degree burns all over my lower region.

And by tea I mean a cup of hot water, which they gave you a single teabag to put in and brew.

It spilled because I was in the process of taking off the lid to put the teabag in, when we drove over the speed bump in the drive through.

There's a law against the temperature of liquid being too hot from restaurants/fast food/etc, and that was scalding hot, near boiling temperature.

We tried to sue, but the case went nowhere, then later on that lady's case goes through for the same exact reason (except this time coffee, not tea) and she wins.

Gotta say, life aint quite fair, especially considering the financial status we're in now.

 

[Burty117]

Cup of tea spilled and gave me 2nd degree burns all over my lower region.

And by tea I mean a cup of hot water, which they gave you a single teabag to put in and brew.

It spilled because I was in the process of taking off the lid to put the teabag in, when we drove over the speed bump in the drive through.

Why were you taking the lid off when you hadn't even got out of the drive through?! No wonder the case went nowhere, you were incredibly impatient. Unless this drive through was a mile long or something? But even so, if your going through a drive through, why was it so important to have your tea right there and then?

 

[hahahanoobs]

bla bla bla...

You stick with your opinion, and I'll stick with mine.

 

[GhostRyder]

You stated that the plaintiff is a hero to gamers everywhere. I demonstrated that he isn't. This not only hits at the point of your comment, but directly refutes it.
The man is suing over a triviality. He's about as heroic as all of those stupendously clever folks who pay their taxes with buckets of coinage.

I agree with this statement.

If the lawsuit is won the consoles will not get better hardware. They'll just throw asterisks next to the res information on the box. And yes, an opinion can be refuted. To refute is merely to demonstrate the wrongness of something. Thus, you are refuted four times consecutive!

The coffee suit is a fascinating case but not relevant unless you are calling out the plaintiff. If you mean to suggest that the average gamer – as the average coffee consumer – is too daft to understand that "1080p output" only means that the game supports 1080p, and that this does not mean, "everything on this disc runs at standard 1080p," then I see your point.

A better example would be whatever lawsuit provoked the government to require manufacturers of lawnmowers to ship their products with labels warning people not to stick their fingers underneath the cutting deck..

This is society today, we sue over everything that common sense should alleviate. With the coffee fiasco the same thing comes to mind every time. Why did it matter to much that it was a bit hotter than normal or what not? Hot coffee is still hot coffee and putting a cup between your legs while driving is basically asking for punishment. Now it being extra hot obviously had a negative effect on spilling it more than normal, but the fact remained that said person made the decision to put it between her legs and drive.

As for this case, I still say its not a really relevant lawsuit because in all actuality its not going to help much even if won. What should happen is people stop buying their products if they are going to lie instead of shoveling their money to them by the boat loads. If they are forced to label the actual resolution on a box because of this, that would only add something more 90% of people will not notice/care about but instead protect Sony from being sued again and even with the settlement I doubt its going to put a damper on their profits.

Why were you taking the lid off when you hadn't even got out of the drive through?! No wonder the case went nowhere, you were incredibly impatient. Unless this drive through was a mile long or something? But even so, if your going through a drive through, why was it so important to have your tea right there and then?

I thought that was a joke above...Was that serious?

 

[davislane1]

You stick with your opinion, and I'll stick with mine.

"Bla bla bla?" What are you, twelve?

I agree with this statement.

This is society today, we sue over everything that common sense should alleviate. With the coffee fiasco the same thing comes to mind every time. Why did it matter to much that it was a bit hotter than normal or what not? Hot coffee is still hot coffee and putting a cup between your legs while driving is basically asking for punishment. Now it being extra hot obviously had a negative effect on spilling it more than normal, but the fact remained that said person made the decision to put it between her legs and drive.

As for this case, I still say its not a really relevant lawsuit because in all actuality its not going to help much even if won. What should happen is people stop buying their products if they are going to lie instead of shoveling their money to them by the boat loads. If they are forced to label the actual resolution on a box because of this, that would only add something more 90% of people will not notice/care about but instead protect Sony from being sued again and even with the settlement I doubt its going to put a damper on their profits.

I agree. In fact, I think more precise box information is going to result irrespective of the outcome. It simply isn't worth it to expose yourself to the hassle that 0.000001 cents worth of ink could have prevented.

 

[Guest]

Most normal people in the rest of the world would just share their comments via social media. However only americans need to sue for the most out landish, trivial things. Everyone carries guns, no one trusts no one. Is anyone going die because of this issue? NO.
That is why America is losing its edge to the rest of the world. Remember the Roman Empire, I think we are witnessing a repeat.

 

[Burty117]

I thought that was a joke above...Was that serious?

I'm not sure but it seemed Serious enough to warrant a response xD

 

[DAOWAce]

Why were you taking the lid off when you hadn't even got out of the drive through?!

Because tea takes time to brew and they didn't bother preparing it beforehand?

Was I supposed to just not make my tea until we got to where we were going, which by that point it would be cold? (45 minute drive)

Let's not forget I was in elementary school at the time as well.

The reasoning doesn't matter; the temperature of the liquid was still far, far too hot to be served. Human error could be argued in court, but it would only reduce the monetary reward of the verdict, not obstruct it.

 

[cliffordcooley]

No matter how frivolous the lawsuit seems to be, if he did not get what was advertised, he has every right to file.

 

[Burty117]

Because tea takes time to brew and they didn't bother preparing it beforehand?

Was I supposed to just not make my tea until we got to where we were going, which by that point it would be cold? (45 minute drive)

Let's not forget I was in elementary school at the time as well.

The reasoning doesn't matter; the temperature of the liquid was still far, far too hot to be served. Human error could be argued in court, but it would only reduce the monetary reward of the verdict, not obstruct it.

I honestly hope you get laughed out of court -_-