Microsoft employee explains decision to scrap the Start button

By Jos
Jun 28, 2012
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  1. JUST "UNFOLD" THE "START" BUTTON.
    It's not so hard, and you end up learning a few things. Peek into your Program Data, App Data, Progams, Programs x64, MS Start Menu, System 32 folders. Copy files of interest into a folder on the desktop. Include files like "shutdown.exe"
    Rename the folder so you can recognize it in case like most people you rarely use it. Something like "Start." Done.

    Let me paraphrase a satirical expression my brother in law coined about parenting: "Why do I have to look through my own folders? It's not fair."
  2. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 527   +75

    What the hell does bill gates have to do with the development of windows anymore? He hasn't been running the company for years now. This isn't 1995!
  3. raybk

    raybk Newcomer, in training Posts: 29

    How can Microsoft knows that Start menu usage dramatically dropping?
    Is Windows spying on us???
  4. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,105   +18

    Only if you let them.
  5. Microsoft would do well to read this and all other posted comments about the start button to understand that removal of this ordinary item is akin to removing a thumb from a hand. They would also benefit from a review of their own history, dating back to Windows 95, when they paid the Rolling Stones a million dollars for the rights to use the song "Start Me Up" as the cornerstone of the advertising campaign. All the disgruntled MS users here are hitting the nail on the head. XP is still a great OS. Win7 is also great. W8, because of a few simple misjudgements, might just hit the market, like Vista, DOA.
  6. I think this is the worst idea ever considering how many people I usually run into on the daily asking me for help with their windows pc. hell is going to be unleashed now that the start button is gone lol
  7. I found it interesting that they are willing to do this kind of changes, otherwise we will get stuck forever with the same thing. They could also offer a way to change between multiple type of interfaces, do not know if it's the case .. but it will be good.
    :p
  8. Scavengers

    Scavengers TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 101   +16

    I am looking forward to this for my tablets, but no way in hell for my desktops or laptops.

    Looks like Microsoft has fallen back to their old ways again.
    Tell us what we want instead of giving us what we want.

    Dave
  9. TekGun

    TekGun TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 156   +11

    Everyone one pretty much agrees that Win7 is a decent OS, they are not going to stop support for Win7 on the day they release Win8, so what is the problem exactly?
    If Win7 is what you want out of an OS then stay with that. I personally think it's good that they are trying new things, and surely the start screen negates the need for a start button. Win8 will shine on tablets etc more, obviously. The Surface is going to be awesome, can't wait to get one myself.
  10. lna2000

    lna2000 Newcomer, in training

    you can get a free third party start button and give micro$oft the finger
     
  11. lunarmikej61

    lunarmikej61 Newcomer, in training

    I have been running Windows 8 for almost 3 months now. And I was very discouraged by the lack of a start button. However I can now say that I don't even notice it's not there. I also can say that despite it being a pre release, Windows 8 is by far the best and most stable OS I've used.
  12. ET3D

    ET3D TechSpot Paladin Posts: 948   +29

    LOL.
  13. So you haven't tried any other OS, then?
  14. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TechSpot Booster Posts: 941   +94

    Bill Gates stepped aside as CEO of Microsoft Corporation, naming Steve Ballmer the new CEO. Gates is now the Chairman of Microsoft, and also fills the newly created position of Chief Software Architect.
  15. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TechSpot Booster Posts: 941   +94

    Power users may prefer to pin programs to their taskbar, but they are the minority.
  16. Gates who?
  17. ig-88

    ig-88 Newcomer, in training Posts: 32

    Time heals all wounds doesn't it? Guess that means "everybody" should embrace Windows 8 just like you did!

    What exactly makes Windows 8 better than any other OS that you have used...its stability? 90 days isn't exactly a helluva long time to be proclaiming 'Windows 8' as a stability king.

    And please explain your personal experience on how Windows 8 is the "most stable OS" you have ever used. What OS were you using prior to Windows 8...how frequently was it crashing on you? If you were using Windows 7 did you ever look at the Event Viewer to discover what the source of the instability might be? Did you ever consider it might be a piece of 3rd party software that you had installed? Or did you just say oh 'Windows 7' sucks.

    Because I've been using Windows 7 Ultimate since the day of release and I don't even know if it's ever crashed.
     
  18. Zen

    Zen TechSpot Paladin Posts: 938   +43

    Personally, this whole debate over the lack of a Windows 8 start button means very little to me! For those around here who know me, most would say that start buttons for Zen are pretty meaningless. Also some know of my constant need or desire to put the "bling bling" in my Operating Systems. One of my favorite customization tools is a program called Rocket Dock. Which if used correctly, can almost diminish the need for one to have to access anything via the start button. As some have called it, they "pin things" to the taskbar and such. Rocket Dock basically does the same thing but in a more entertaining animated kind of way.

    But now I'll stray from personal choice to something of a more technological stand point. Some know that I'm am a Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert or (MCSE) for those who only know it's initials. Due to my level of certification I am often sent pre-releases of future Operating Systems via a CD, as so people like me can get a feel for what the up and coming O.S. does and more importantly where Microsoft may be going in regards to the direction they are trying to go with something. So in essence I've used Windows 8, at least the certified technicians version, which I've logged hours and hours on. Now in no way am I proclaiming to be an expert with the thing, I just used it long enough to gather some facts, maybe strike down a lot of peoples preconceived notions, and used it long enough that if any of my customers now or future customers decide to run with Windows 8, that I would know enough to service their systems and know enough about the O.S. to be helpful.

    Now even though I've logged hours and hours and have figured some things out and got to sample Windows 8, it doesn't mean I'm going to run with it myself. Now Microsoft frowns upon it's certified technicians who sample future works to give out personal opinions or leak technical information. So I will refrain from personal opinions and simply say that Windows 8 will be hailed by some and will be poo poo'd on by many! But without snubbing the noses of the people up North who help keep me certified, and some reading in between the lines with what I'm going to say should be done. For the moment, " I'm completely satisfied and will be for the unforeseeable future will be sticking to using either Windows XP Professional (64-bit) and or Windows Vista Ultimate (64-bit)! "

    But one thing for me is at the forefront of my choice to not to run with Windows 8. Due to being a Windows customizer kind of does it for me. Due to the fact that the new Metro has an embedded program built into it to hinder and most of the time prevent programs like Rocket Dock, Object Dock and Cario Dock to be used with the Operating System. So if your a dock program user like me, it will be very hard coming to get that type of a program to work with Windows 8.

    But as far as what the masses think about Windows 8, only time will tell! I know change is a forgone fact of life, everything eventually changes. And I know sometimes these changes radical or not quite often can make a person a bit unstable and or uncomfortable. I know we are very much creatures of habit and sometimes it's almost next to impossible to have us release our "death grip" on what has worked for us. But if people would relax their death grips on things and maybe relax a little bit and be more open minded to change, maybe in the future such changes to a Microsoft Operating System won't come as much as a shock. Eventually the older style of Operating System that most of us today know and love, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7 and so forth, eventually all of those formats and or styles will be history. Eventually the world and computer software company's and providers will gravitate towards tablets and touch screen technology, rather than sticking with things like a mouse and type writer styled keyboards.

    So change is always a foot, so unless you have the power of the masses behind you, you can then expect from this moment on that computer software providers to think that they know what's best for you and create and market things that they think you need, not possibly close to what you may want.

    "My 2 cents"!
  19. ig-88

    ig-88 Newcomer, in training Posts: 32

    .
    I think Microsoft has made a huge mistake personally. They have seen the popularity of mobile devices explode and decided that the software that powers those devices would work equally well on a desktop computer. Did anybody ever stop to think that the reason for the explosion in the popularity of mobile devices might not be because you can swipe your finger across the screen like a chimpanzee but maybe its because....get this...they're "mobile"?!?!?!?

    The only reason I can see for such a silly, ridiculous, radical change in Microsoft's latest flagship product is to slowly acclimate all people to a mobile operating system. So that they can slowly kill off the desktop PC to where it will no longer exist. Very similar to the mandatory healthcare law that has promised Americans they can keep their current healthcare providers if they want. What Congress doesn't tell you is that statement is true but only for a season. Just like everybody who praises 'Windows 8' by saying, "Look, if you like your 'start' button, you can keep it. Here's how you do that.".
    Yeah, there may be a way to keep it this time around. But they're killing it off. Keeping it under the covers. Slowly taking away features/options that people have grown accustomed to over the past 20 years.

    Maybe, if Microsoft would just come out and tell us they see the desktop being dead, non-existent, in 20 years, I would at least respect them for that.

    I for one, however, don't see it going that way. I think that if you can't take a break from programming long enough or texting or downloading a YouTube video to use the crapper, you might be a little bit to attached to your mobile devices.
  20. ReederOnTheRun

    ReederOnTheRun TechSpot Booster Posts: 310   +62

    Well he is probably right about people not accessing programs from the start menu too much. I know I put all my frequently used programs on the taskbar. But regardless, I think Microsoft needs to seriously consider the saying "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."
  21. Totally wrong about people not accessing programs from the start menu too much! Who cares if you put all your frequently used programs on the taskbar? MIcrosoft isn't as bad as David Orcus!
  22. I noticed a lot of hate about how Windows 8 works and the one thing that comes to mind is... what is so difficult about it? It is literally Windows 7 except with the metro style menu and a few extra features. After you click desktop from the metro style menu, its Windows 7 again. If you don't like the metro style apps, DON'T USE THEM. Microsoft isn't thrusting them on you, the whole point of them is for easier to use apps if your using the copy of Windows 8 on a tablet, so of course they're full screen. Download music apps or weather apps or whatever as usual if the operating system was Windows 7. I don't know what everyone else is finding so complicated about it, but Windows 8 for me is like a faster version of Windows 7 with more features and is far cheaper (only $40 instead of the hundreds for the different Windows 7 editions). Scrolling the start menu to find apps is my only complaint about the whole operating system, and as Microsoft's surveys show, I barely use the start menu, I just pin my apps. And if the new start menu kills you that much, use ViStart or Classic Shell, programs that emulate the Windows 7 start menu.


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