Microsoft launches YouTube app, Google demands it taken down

By Rick
May 16, 2013
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  1. Google yesterday issued a cease-and-desist letter to Microsoft, demanding Redmond pull its YouTube app from the Windows Phone Store. The app has been available for over a week; however, it violates YouTube's API usage terms. Google says Microsoft has until...

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  2. Tygerstrike

    Tygerstrike TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 827   +93

    And it starts again.......
    Now its M$ trying to skirt a system. Jeez why cant they all just work together for the benifit of the consumer base instead of just trying to stab ppl in the back for profit.
    cliffordcooley likes this.
  3. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 552   +79

    Not a huge deal I can already rip videos directly from youtube as is.
  4. RH00D

    RH00D TechSpot Addict Posts: 393   +101

    IMO I see it like this:

    Microsoft: Please develop your apps for our platform?
    Google: Shove your platform where the sun don't shine.
    Microsoft: Ok then, we'll do it ourselves I guess...
    Google: Wahhh Wahhh, no don't do that! Wahhh

    Google should either shut up about Microsoft's app or suck it up and develop their apps for Windows Phone.

    It's not like Google is some small startup that can't support WP because they don't have enough money or developers. They're just playing hard ball with Microsoft to spite them.
    bielius and coppersloane like this.
  5. TheBigFatClown

    TheBigFatClown TechSpot Booster Posts: 417   +139

    They are competitors, you realize that right? Why would a company help another company who is a competitor.

    Google to Microsoft: "Sure, we'll right an application for your mobile phone even though it might cost us billions of dollars".

    What you call spite I like to refer to as just plain old common business sense.
  6. Chazz

    Chazz TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 629   +59

    " In light of Larry Page?s comments today calling for more interoperability and less negativity, we look forward to solving this matter together for our mutual customers."

    Did you listen to the keynote? Google said they are against everything you just said.
  7. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,285   +232

    I think you are misunderstanding the situation... Google doesn't have to develop apps for competitors' operating systems, that is entirely up to the programmers of said system - or app developers that work within that ecosystem. It is not Google's responsibility to build specific programs for other companies to use. They may CHOOSE to at some point, if it benefits Google, but they are in no way required to do anything. Google has developed an open system that anyone can link into, provided they follow a few basic rules. This is an example of Microsoft blatantly trying to skirt around those rules, to make their video player app seem cooler.

    Google hosts YouTube, and the advertising and viewing hits are what keeps the YouTube lights on - the costs of keeping millions of videos up and available for billions of views is not a trivial thing. Microsoft doesn't care what it costs Google in advertising impact, they just want something to make their phone more attractive. If they can't play by the rules, they should just spend untold billions to make their own version of YouTube, put a huge marketing push behind it to let people know it exists, link it with Bing, and then they can do whatever they want with it. Until then, they need to play by the rules of usage, just like everyone else is supposed to.
  8. RH00D

    RH00D TechSpot Addict Posts: 393   +101

    If that was true then why does Google develop their apps for iOS? Apple is a way bigger threat to Google than Microsoft is.

    Google's revenue depends on people using their services. So it would make more sense to develop for as many platforms as possible so that your services, like YouTube, can reach as large an audience as possible.
    hahahanoobs likes this.
  9. JC713

    JC713 TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 6,799   +882

    Google is a bunch of sh*t. MS does their work and they complain. Cool.
    coppersloane likes this.
  10. Camikazi

    Camikazi TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 332   +56

    Well does Apple still use Google as the default search engine on iOS? Does MS use Google search at all (am guessing they use Bing)? That might be the answer to that question, scratch my back I scratch yours. No reason for Google to help MS if MS won't help Google and no reason to let MS break Google's rules either.
  11. Chazz

    Chazz TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 629   +59

    I don't think you understand what google has been doing to keep their apps off windows phone platform. Here is what google has done so far.

    They removed EAS support from Gmail and forced windows users to use the crappy IMAP. They blamed Microsoft's proprietary EAS format and said CardDav and CarDal was open and Microsoft should support open platforms. Microsoft is complying but just a few weeks later Google announced they are dropping carddav in favor of a proprietary system.

    Google limits windows phone proper use on Gmails mobile website. In order to get around this users had to spoof their phone as an iPhone, and then everything magically works. That's just a few lines of code google has to add.

    The third party youtube apps didn't use googles youtube api for a very long time(not sure if they even do now) because they didn't have access. Metrotube(the most popular youtube app) has been broken many times as workarounds have been patched.

    Google blocked Maps use from windows phone users.

    Google has said they will not produce apps for WP as the market doesn't merit it. There is no monetary gain but, they want this app taking down stating monetary loss. They suggest users use m.youtube.com. The thing is the mobile site doesn't even have ads. They don't want this app on the platform as it doesn't play ads, they don't want to make an app that enables adds and they recommend you using an alternative that doesn't have ads. They gave Microsoft until when? The 22nd? If google adds ad services to the mobile site by then I'll shut up. I doubt they will though.

    Google has stated that microsoft won't let them use their services siting proprietary reasons. Skype could be added to gmail, or atleast in the past. In the same breath,basically, google announced that they are dropping support for XMPP(which skype uses and is a standard) for their own proprietary standards.


    Microsoft is no saint and both google and microsoft needs to stop their childish bickering, because us customers are the only ones losing. I never buy or sign up to Apple's services because I knew what I'd be getting into and I didn't like it. When I signed up for Gmail when it came out and youtube, I thought I knew what I was getting into. But boy was I wrong. I have no alternative to Gmail and Youtube but that should've been a good thing because those services are great. But now Google and Microsoft are comparing **** sizes and I may have to find something else to use. I don't like that at all.

    It's been a long 3 years passive aggressive behavior back and forth, so I can't remember everything in this long road of waiting and asking for google apps/compliance. There is definitely more I'll edit if I remember.

    This has nothing to do with markshare, apps, money or ads. They don't like each other for some unkown reason and customers are paying for it.
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  12. m4a4

    m4a4 TechSpot Addict Posts: 516   +137

    Hmmm... MS trying to do good for their customers by providing access to a popular service and Google doesn't like that? Man, I never thought that Google would be the company to go downhill like this -_-
    bielius likes this.
  13. Rudy Dajoh

    Rudy Dajoh Newcomer, in training

    I think, it's more like this:

    Microsoft: Please develop your apps for our platform?
    Google: Google that yourself.
    Microsoft: Ok then, we'll do it ourselves I guess...
    Google: you violate our rule!!
    Microsoft: Then give your code
    Google: What?? You need me to type "youtube api" on google search engine?
  14. drjekel_mrhyde

    drjekel_mrhyde Newcomer, in training Posts: 95   +7

    You mean like how Microsoft is building Google talk into Outlook or Microsoft glass app for Android or how they're building a Office app for Android and iOS in 2014
  15. drjekel_mrhyde

    drjekel_mrhyde Newcomer, in training Posts: 95   +7

    You can change your search to Google instead of bing in WP
  16. Rudy Dajoh

    Rudy Dajoh Newcomer, in training

    My answer for M$:
    Google "youtube api" and you'll get the API in no time.. Try that :D
  17. It seems to me Google has become the new Microsoft... Do No Evil - BS!
    StepnSteph likes this.
  18. Codepimp

    Codepimp Newcomer, in training

    And here I thought Google was all about sharing the internet
  19. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,810   +1,431

    They are sharing every damned advertisement they a can promote, and making sure they are seen by all. I actually enjoyed Youtube once upon a time. Now I spend as little time as possible watching their ads, regardless of how many videos I would like to see.
  20. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 2,921   +724

    You should try using Ad Block. It works.
  21. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 2,921   +724

    Bah! They're like petty little children going at it. Both companies have more than enough money. Why can't they learn to play nicely?
  22. TechGamer

    TechGamer TechSpot Booster Posts: 407   +34

    Meanwhile the battle for power over the pc world continues.
  23. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,810   +1,431

    If you tell me that using Ad Block will cast a vote of negativity toward the use of ads, I will consider. If Ad Block simply ignores the ads, I don't want to cast a silent false sense of comfort vote with the use of ads.
  24. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 2,921   +724

    You can set it up to your liking. I use it alongside Do Not Track Me. I get very few ad's but bear in mind I use Chrome browser. With another browser your mileage may vary.
  25. supertech

    supertech TechSpot Member Posts: 81   +9

    Good for Microsoft. I don't like these conglomerate powerhouses holding end users hostage. I want the best experience possible and all companies including Google should strive to provide that experience to me.


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