WOW! Without crapware. That is wonderful, so no Microsoft products installed. Great!
bloatware helps to subsidize the cost of your system, so i don't think it's really going away. mfgs just need to make it easy to opt-out and uninstall the bloatware when you setup the system for the first time.
I wonder what will happen when Microsoft opens their own retail store. Would any stock PC's still ship with the bloatware? At least this shows that Microsoft is listening to the public and the general distaste of crapware.
@guest: The crapware they are referring to is the stuff put on by HP, dell, etc. The microsoft products listed is what WILL be on them. I myself have no problems disabling the startup entries of the HP, Dell, etc software. SOME of them are useful at times. Programs like Ccleaner(free) and The Ultimate Troubleshooter(trial edition available) are great programs for identifying useless startup items and services that bog your system down.
I'm still curious as to how the prices of the crapware free PCs will be compared to any of the major computer retailers.
Windows PCs, now with reduced crapware!
Good idea on their part. The stuff that is on there is not so bad. Maybe you won't have to wipe the PC clean when you buy it for once.
Again this, to me, is such a surprising move by Microsoft. I would never have guessed that they would not put crap ware on premade computers.
Crap ware seems to have become pretty much standard for any computer that wasn't custom built, I am very happy that Microsoft has decided to deviate from this computer norm (and hope that they don't decide to go back on this decision).
Way to go Microsoft.
That's great to hear, but lets hope they start doing this for all new computers as well. I recenltly set-up an HP computer for my girlfriend and it had tons of crapware, so much i couldnt even uninstall it all, lots of games and ebay etc
!!! Amen that is great. All of that software is used by a lot of people and doesn't slow your computer down 10fold. the best part is a fully functional antivirus program installed. not this trial crap.
I think it's a great move. Most of the listed software is stuff 90% of users would install(flash player, pdf reader, security essentials, etc) although they could of went without Windows live I can still see 90% of users finding it useful.
On the other hand the usual crapware that comes on PC's I don't think I've ever found any of it useful.
limpangel, that's an interesting thing to say considering Macs come with probably 5 times as much software installed on the puter and most of it is Mac software (oh but of course it's okay because its Apple).
Personally, I'd only ever buy a computer if it was a laptop. Any desktop I would get would be a home build. I do however plan on getting a laptop soon, and more then likely I will just do a fresh install of windows 7 as soon as I get it. I'd rather be 100% sure the crapware is gone.
I spend so much time cleaning crapware off our new office computers. The first thing to go around here is Norton. It would be great to eliminate it all before it comes to us. But what will I do with all that free time?
Bundled Windows apps really don't matter when you install Linux ;-)
I am so sick of the crap software that comes on computers. It's pathetic what we're given for the prices they charge. I have to go online and find free programs to use instead of the junk on my computer.
I really like the direction of what Microsoft is doing with the live essentials . I find the programs to be user friendly and reliable.
They didn't get rid of all the crapware, but at least they are finally agreeing that there is way too much of it on new computers.
I think trading HP crapware for Microsoft's useful programs is a great trade off. HP and all the above listed companies put there "try it for 60 days programs" on an all that you end up doing is trying to remove them all, from day one with me. I have ever bought a computer with anything but half deals on them. It would be nice to just have stuff on your new computer; Be something that is useful for more than 60 days.
I would rather build my own system anyway. ZERO crapware! The only 'branding' you'll see on my system is 'inside' it. But kudos to M$ for at least reducing crapware on its machines.
While not a MS fan, I personally believe that GOD has a special place in Hell reserved for Bill Gates for his retarded Windows ME, this step is long overdue and does deserve props.
I have only one comment to offer. Regardless of who the manufacturer is there must be some provision provided with each PC to set it to a state where there is ABSOLUTELY NO trial ware installed on the machine.
I have had situations where some crap antivirus from a major company is installed. One ends up subscribing to it as it is almost impossible to remove. The vendor does not provide any CD for restoring to a clean state although the client HAS paid for or at an exhorbitant price like $70/= .
If that's M$'s idea of no crapware, I wonder how much crapware they expect the average user to have? I formatted my Sony laptop using recovery discs the other day... it took about 40 mins to install everything and another hour to remove the crapware. This kind of stuff can make people turn to piracy even if they have a legit copy
I don't know about that. The Microsoft Live (cloud computing) stuff is crapware to me and even slows my computer & especially my internet browser down. I haven't figured out how to get rid of the Bing crap yet -- It's one thing to choose to goto a search engine, it's another for it takeover, install itself, (aka hijack - guess it's not if you accept the MS Live installation) and Bing Up the browser and slow it down. The Bing is definitely a browser tracker for supposedly assisting in searches (hence the slow down).
Other than the Adobe Flash Player, Adobe Reader, and Microsoft Security Essentials in that list, the rest are crap-ware to me.
As for the Microsoft Live Stuff, I'd have to refer back to the 'Danger (c)' cloud computing server. Microsoft's, AT&T's, and T-Mobile's combined Danger (cloud computing system) may crashed once again wiping out all of your portable data & what you thought was a backup of your crucial or critical data (gone forever - too bad). Effected millions of mobile users (phone, laptop, pda, etcetera). Oh wait, now it's being extended to Desktop users (home & office) for all of their data wipeout needs, I mean storage. Hrmmm.
Dell, HP, Compaq, or basicly anything that does not have real customer service is also crap-ware to me. Over 90% of HP's revenue earnings is from charging for customer service. $45-$120 per hour just to talk to someone about problems with their product is rediculous.
I'd have to stick with SoulSeeker, to get rid of crap-ware. Clean OS Install on a new computer, or build your own computer from scratch.
Renaming Crapware to Essential Crapware, or Crapware 7.0 with streamlined crap to make the crap appear to go faster, doesn't sell to me. Removing all of the Crapware from Vista (windows version 6.0) would give you Windows 7 (windows version 6.1). I guess the 0.1 means: some crap removed from Vista. The XP mode crap (temporary module/add-in) is for getting as many users to convert to Windows 7. I'm not going to upgrade to Vista 7 (aka Windows 7).