Microsoft terminates mainstream support for Windows Vista

By Shawn Knight
Apr 11, 2012
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  1. Microsoft has terminated mainstream support for Windows Vista operating systems today. Vista was announced in July 2005 and released worldwide on January 30, 2007

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  2. vista sucks
  3. Per Hansson

    Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,917   +119 Staff Member

    Vista is great compared to Windows 8
  4. TomSEA

    TomSEA TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,319   +370

    Vista was pretty decent by the time they got 2 years worth of patches into it. In fact, not much difference between that and what Windows 7 is today. And I second what Per Hansson said. Windows 8 is going to be a disaster - I wouldn't recommend buying Microsoft stock options right now. They're going to tank as soon as that is released.
  5. Ranger1st

    Ranger1st TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 265   +77

    MS is shortening the life span of each iteration of OS. I bet it's going to try and force MS users into 8 by killing the life cycle of 7 in 2-3 years if you look at a plot from win 95 to now..

    Linux is looking better and better
  6. Vista was not great however after SP1 it was usable and after SP2 it was fairly solid. Windows 7 was the next step in the process and was solid right out of the gate. I'm concerned that Windows 8 is such a gamble, right now I plan on staying with Windows 7. Win 8 may be the next Vista with Win 9 being the good release. Linux is looking better each day, it has taken them a long time to get a desktop that (non-tech) people can use but it looks like they are there, especially if you only do the basics, web, office suite, email and printing.
  7. m4a4

    m4a4 TechSpot Addict Posts: 507   +134

    Ha! Just because of a visual change, it is automatically worse than Vista?? Your comment is laughable at best. Only someone ignorant would say that Windows 8 will be a disaster ONLY because of a few familiarity changes.

    I (a power user) exclusively used Windows 8 for a month and only switched back because of licensing and DRM (it's still a Preview, so I'm not willing to move much over). After a day of checking it out, I didn't have any troubles with it. It clearly was faster (in startup and doing normal tasks), the metro ui (if used correctly) let me customize my program list in a way that the start menu couldn't, and it was streamlined (besides a few things that took a few more clicks to use).
    Would I recommend it? For tablets, sure. For desktops/laptops, it is faster and "better" than Windows 7 but might not be worth the upgrade based on your personal preference. At the worst, all you need to do is download a 3rd party start button.

    And why did I try it for a month you might ask? It's so that I can tell some people (*cough* some commenters above *cough*) to suck it up with the visual changes and stop hating on a product that isn't even officially released (which you probably haven't even tried properly). It pisses me off when people bash something for no good reason beyond looks (unless it is meant to be art).
  8. Per Hansson

    Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,917   +119 Staff Member

  9. davislane1

    davislane1 TechSpot Guru Posts: 1,197   +446

    I thought they did this on launch...
  10. CrisisDog

    CrisisDog Newcomer, in training Posts: 47

    Sorry, but I liked Vista. Maybe I didn't have as many issues as others considering I was running the 64-bit version from the start, allowing for more memory.

    Windows 8 looks cool too, but I can see how someone used to Windows 7 or XP will have faults with it. Microsoft is really pushing for a touchscreen enviornment with Windows 8, and the vast majority of PCs are not set up for that type of use, thus a possible fail. I can see how the Metro interface would work great on touchscreens though.
  11. avioza

    avioza Newcomer, in training Posts: 55   +15

    It would have been nice if microsoft built in backward compatibility options. In a business environment with a large number of non-tech saavy peope, we try to keep as true to the the classic windows interface as possible to prevent confusion. Windows 8 may have some uses and it is unfinished, but microsoft should take into account the broad spectrum of its users and make some classic configuration options available.

    Even Microsoft had to bow to consumer outrage with Windows 8. It may happen again...
     
  12. Sorry but I disagree.

    If you were right there wouldn't be so many people complaining about windows 8 and that is fact!

    I've used both the CP and the DP in a VM and windows 8 sucked.

    a simple task that takes 3 mouse clicks on win 7 is now 10 clicks with win 8.

    I'm someone that learns quick i've been building computers since i was 12 and it almost unusable on a desktop computer. The constant switching from desktop to metro like the OS is confused is annoying.

    I need my computer to do work and windows 8 in its current form hurts my productivity plain and simple.

    I would rather go back to Vista than use win 8.

    And if that doesn't raise a red flag then I don't know what will.
  13. m4a4

    m4a4 TechSpot Addict Posts: 507   +134

    Per Hansson: Yes I saw that before and am aware that standard users atm wouldn't be able to figure out some things without googling them, but you can't expect MS to say "Well here's Windows 8, have fun figuring it out" can you? Of course not, so there will be a tutorial to help people understand the concepts and operations around it.
    As for what he brought up with the start menu vs metro, they are valid points but I also found that it didn't bug me. It was still one action away but gave the whole screen for the results.

    So yeah, I was bashing the people that didn't give it a good try for themselves (as there weren't good reasons as to why Windows 8 would fail horribly). It does have some pretty good pro's and has its con's, but not enough con's to say it will fail...
    However I am neutral about how Windows 8 is (not for or against it). I think that there should be a choice as to whether or not you can use metro, but do not care if I have to use it (as it is a unity-of-all-platforms thing). I don't know if it will do as well as Windows 7 but with the tablet market opened up for it, it just might. At the worst I see this OS becoming used mostly on tablets rather than PC's.
  14. treetops

    treetops TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 1,653   +51

    wow only 5 years of main stream support
  15. matrix86

    matrix86 TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 801   +8

    A lot of my friends in the technology industry. Really, the number one complaint I hear is "this means we'll have to train everyone because of the drastic differences. I do NOT have the time to do this." If you're running a small operation, it may or not be that bad. But when you have a building full of average joe employees who are using a new UI, it's going to be time consuming. They are so used to a certain way of doing things, and so used to where things are. We can already look at the average joe consumer and see their frustrations...the last thing they want is to have to learn a new way of doing things.

    I realize that yes, they should be adults and learn to adapt, but let's face it...the general population is too stupid and immature for this, lol. Personally, i'm NOT a big fan of the change. As someone who is heavily into customization, this metro UI goes against EVERYTHING I stand for, lol.

    ==BACK ON TOPIC==

    But, to get back on topic as this is not really about Win8, i'm not too surprised that MS is dropping mainstream support for Vista. We all know how many people hated it (and still do). I do hope that Win7 continues a long life as it is very popular. Unless MS creates a way to choose between the new or the old UI, I will be with Win7 for a long time even when they drop support. I'll be like the people who still (for some odd reason) cling to Win95 (yes...I sadly know people like this, lol). Someone I know will say "sadly, I know a guy who still clings to Windows 7" :p
  16. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,775   +1,429

    @Matrix

    I think you and I are on the same page. lol
  17. tengeta

    tengeta TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 632

    vista was fine, people just hopped on the hater bandwagon that started before it even got released and people didn't even try to give it a chance. almost every complaint i ever heard in person was something that wasn't even real, they just had to do something slightly different from XP and refused to do it.

    and yeah, i'm with people on windows 8 and the metro (seriously, is this 2005?) interface. vista smacks that pos out of the ballpark.
  18. Its going to be another failure - as once again the competing goals of Microsoft are in conflict - This time making a touch screen OS together with something thats suitable on a phone, will use another chip manufacturers hardware, and letting the desktop user suffer. With Vista Microsoft was going for software controlled HD DVD and lost that battle to BlueRay and users suffered with a slow and bloated operating system.
  19. Gamesinner

    Gamesinner Newcomer, in training Posts: 77

    MS needs to terminate Windows Vista. What a crappy OS.
  20. m4a4 is right, W8 is not bad its faster but the metro UI sucks...
  21. fimbles

    fimbles TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 1,232   +119

    m4a4, please make a list of those pros.
  22. What MS needs to do is probably very different to what MS should do if they were acting in users' best interests. Continuing support in the form of updates/service packs would be. Pulling the plug is not.

    This is the major headache that the average home user, and MS marketing people, don't seem to take into consideration. It's quite odd because a large proportion of most legal copies of windows are on OEM machines shipped out to corporate users...
  23. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,438   +282

    The same thing is happening with Windows 8. The same thing happened with Vista (as you noted), and the same thing happened with XP. Unfortunately, just as XP was coming out, this board changed to the current form from a different one (Jawbreaker) and the old posts weren't carried over. But you can go to other old boards and see all the outrage at XP when it came out (Fisher Price interface for one).

    To the guest that used the DP and CP in a VM, well there is your problem. Using any OS in a VM and expecting a full desktop experience in it is just setting yourself and the OS up for failure.

    @fimbles - Just off the top of my head here are a few things that are better, I'm sure there are more, and if you read through the discussion thread Per linked above you'll find more but they are fitting into a 'personal preference' catagory.
    * Better memory usage: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx
    * Uses less resources: http://www.cantonrep.com/news/busin...indows-8-halts-decades-of-software-code-creep
    * Faster startup times: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/08/delivering-fast-boot-times-in-windows-8.aspx
    * Improved task manager: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/13/the-windows-8-task-manager.aspx
    * Improved file operations (can pause now, better and more detail): http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft Makes File Management Less Painful in Windows 8/article22534.htm
    * 11 click installation vs 60 with Win 7, plus several minute faster install: http://www.cantonrep.com/news/busin...indows-8-halts-decades-of-software-code-creep
  24. m4a4

    m4a4 TechSpot Addict Posts: 507   +134

    Look at my first post, second paragraph. I list pros there. (it seems SNGX1275 helped answer this one. And with links :D )
    But to add:
    -Linked to Windows Live Email (good across other devices)
    -Better security features http://www.infoworld.com/t/windows-security/windows-8-security-stronger-gentler-174404
    -All important utilities are a rightclick in the bottom left corner of the desktop away
    -The ribbon menu for Explorer I see as a plus. At the least you minimize and it's out of sight

    matrix86: I think that the concepts used are a one-time-show-the-person type thing. From there it will either be remembered or easily figured out again (I would hope :p ).
    However, yes it will be annoying to "retrain" (at least for the mere fact that workplace efficiency will be reduced until they find out how to use it efficiently) but that comes with all new software and hardware.

    As for customization, it only really matters on the desktop (and if you really want to customize, you can put that start button back).
  25. Per Hansson

    Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,917   +119 Staff Member

    Well that explains it, because I still over 10 years since it's launch dislike it's interface and actually still prefer Win2K over XP if it weren't for planned obsolescence.

    I guess if it weren't for the fact that this weekend's open forum got so much to my heart I would not even think much about it :) (Your most outdated software)

    Now don't get me wrong I do see the benefits of Windows 8 and already listed those in the thread I linked in my previous post.
    That does not distract from the fact that in my opinion there are a gazillion things which are worse.
    One example: the "Windows Update" interface has been implemented in Metro.
    But all you can do there is check for and install updates, nothing more.
    I wanted to know what updates where installed yesterday, so I search for "Windows Update" in the metro UI, click on "Settings" and then Windows Update, it brings me to the Metro interface that does not have this info.
    So I press the button to take me to the desktop, rightclick the nonexistant starmenu, sit and glaze at the menu because there are no icons so you have to read the different choices untill the "Control Panel" is found, then click on Windows Update there, this brings up the same Windows Update interface as in Win7 (Which is another of my peeves about most Windows versions: lack of coherent user interface)
    Now that was an experience in improved productivity right? Because if so then Microsoft are on the right track...


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