Minecraft creator 'Notch' is the latest to speak out against Windows 8

By Shawn Knight
Sep 28, 2012
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  1. Minecraft fans might want to think twice about upgrading to Windows 8 next month. According to tweets from creator and developer Markus "Notch" Persson, Microsoft asked him to help certify the game for Windows 8. Persson declined in a roundabout...

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  2. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,382   +15

    Yikes! What's this stuff of Win8 being locked down and so bad for game dev's in a comparative light to Win7 or XP?
  3. tengeta

    tengeta TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 632

    Its simple. people use a pc to get away from their phones. if it becomes a larger screened version of a phone, then its pointless and people will abandon their pc's. have fun dealing with that one microsoft (and I personally have defended microsoft for YEARS). apparently windows ME and vista haven't taught them a single thing (also again, I defended vista in its day).
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  4. EEatGDL

    EEatGDL TechSpot Booster Posts: 256   +45

    Woah, now that's a narrow-minded person; if Microsoft called him it means they care to give a good product, just go along. I'm personally anti-Apple but I don't go out telling people not to buy its products because I think they're overpriced, I just won't buy it, but still I cared about compatibility with Mac OS X when I developed a Sudoku game in Java last semester as of a final project so that a friend of mine with a Mac could use it and work as well as intended in Windows (the look and feel, file managment for Excel files, saving the progress in files, etc.).

    If people buys and uses an OS and you care about giving them the best experience possible on what you develop despite what they choose on where to run it, just give them the required support and leave your opinions as opinions; and let the OS choice be their own problem.

    I own W8 RTM [didn't pay for it - got it through university's MSDN academic program] and as it is I don't like it and despite I have it on double boot I'm still using W7 as my main system 95% of my time. But I'm not telling people not to use W8, if they like it, cool; if not, is the company's problem on taking that risk for desktop, you can't know if you don't try. Being a faster system overall may be a strong reason for most people to stick with it, we don't know, average people don't care the way we do unless there are serious problems like a new gadget with a bubble effect on its touchscreen or any other real concern. Vista had serious concerns from the beginning, W8 being objective... don't, and still don't like it.
    H3llion likes this.
  5. TekGun

    TekGun TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 156   +11

    I don't quite get this, when people talk about Win8 being locked down are they talking about the Metro side of things or the RT version or what? because everything I have installed so far, while it may not integrate fully with Metro works fine on the Win8 desktop, and that includes my games. I'm even playing ArmA2 on Win8 so wtf are they on about.
    Uvindu likes this.
  6. dtourond

    dtourond TechSpot Member

    I have great respect for Notch for creating a great game. However I do love Windows 8 and I believe it will sell well due to the fact that it's more efficient than 7, has better built-in security and has a better performance than 7. Also the Start Screen has proven (in more ways than one) that it's better than the Start Menu and I would wish that Notch would get it through his thick skull that Windows 8 is going to sell and if he wants more people buying & playing his game then he'll have to either accept it or get out of the gaming field and do something else.
  7. colinf

    colinf Newcomer, in training Posts: 43   +7

    @TekGun

    the lockdown comment is about MS only allowing MS approved software being installed on the RT version, by approved meaning paying them a cut

    although this hasent been implemented to the other versions...yet, but the fear is there

    personally I think its highly doubtful they'll implement lockdown on desktops, it would fall foul of the EU for one, plus we pc users would never allow it
    Uvindu likes this.
  8. Cadwal

    Cadwal Newcomer, in training

    Okay, I'm going to set this straight because no one's pointed it out here.

    What all these (3) publishers dis approve of is what they define as a "lock-down." They see Microsoft having their own Windows Store on the new start-up menu as the bane to their existence and Microsoft will not allow any 3rd party stores into the Metro-experience. All the publishers that want to publish something outside the Microsoft Store are forced to use the Classic View, while games published on the MS store directly embedded into the Metro interface.

    Most of these publishers are NOT concerned about gamers, they are concerned about their profit margins. With Microsoft presenting their own store, MS takes a 30% cut on games for the first $25,000 MS make and 20% cut every sell after that. That's not a bad deal considering big box retailers generally take a 30-40% cut. Since the MS store is embedded directly into the OS, there is even a smaller likelihood that new users would track down other alternatives that may not work with the new OS natively.

    Notch doesn't want to make Minecraft Windows 8 Certified because it would require the game to be on the Microsoft store. I personally disagree with Notch's perspective in this regard because I believe the MS Store is a great way for Indie developers to get better facetime since it's directly integrated into the operating system, rather than having to rely on underground news sources. Notch is one of a lucky few indie developers that can do whatever he pleases regardless of what the public says because he made millions off his one game.

    Valve & Blizzard on the other hand believe this effort undermines their individual stores.

    Blizzard charges full price for games and gets the full cut, which is why I buy their products directly from Big Box Retailers because they are undermining my local economy and putting hundreds out of work through their digital sales.

    Valve charges a price set by developers and takes a 35% cut of profits off the top. This puts Valve at a disadvantage to MS (whose fees are lower) and Steam is not compatible with the Metro interface. Valve is merely looking out for their best interests despite Windows 8's major overhaul of optimization in PC performance.
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  9. There's no lockdown, the Windows Store is an ADDITIONAL download source. This claim is as absurd as saying that Amazon killed off all department stores worldwide. Things do exist side-by-side.

    The greatest irony is that it is Notch who is closing off his Minecraft distribution, restricting options for consumer. That's hypocritical.
    m4a4, ReederOnTheRun and Uvindu like this.
  10. ramonsterns

    ramonsterns TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 752   +12

    Notch has been a hypocrite from Day 1, but people kept throwing money at him anyways.
    H3llion likes this.
  11. Ranger12

    Ranger12 TechSpot Guru Posts: 630   +116

    I have been running minecraft on my evaluation copy of Windows 8 for months. Haven't had any problems. So he can decline to certify it all he wants. It still works.
     
  12. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TechSpot Guru Posts: 673   +39

    I was really considering staying with Win7 anyway, It's so fast and works great...this news just puts the icing on the cake and sets win8 up for failure because I'm sure many people feel as I do. I wasn't really aware of this news till I saw a recent posting and I think its crazy that windows of all people are going this route. I mean, there still doing great against Apple, even tho its a giant powerhouse of money, why do sumthin like this? I know Apple has a big lock down on things that can go to their OS, are they going that route because of them?
  13. But..but.. Bill Gates said that Windows 8 is good to go.. :D
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  14. Anonymous9

    Anonymous9 Newcomer, in training

    I think that windows 8 has a #### layout
  15. Uvindu

    Uvindu TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 153

    They are not locking down normal-desktop apps, if that's what your thinking. All their saying is that the new Metro apps that are going to be developed specifically for the Metro interface, will require Microsoft Certification. This will not affect the average person downloading/installing normal/standard apps. That will be unrestricted as it has always been: You can install whatever you want. Basically, normal apps will be installable in the same way as in Windows 7.
  16. danhodge

    danhodge Newcomer, in training Posts: 80   +13

    Is the Minecraft picture supposed to show 'Jumping on the bandwagon'? :')
  17. Jim$ter

    Jim$ter TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 119   +20

    I agree Microsoft is just seeing $$ and not thinking clearly or we wouldn't have the cluster**** called Windows 8! They did some good things with Windows 8 but the Metro interface integrating is just plan not good. They could of left the start button where it was...and had the metro interface come up etc...They just got lazy and wanted one interface for everything and I think that's going to bite them in the *** on the desktop because people will not be able to figure that mess out. Sorry Microsoft but hopefully you make Windows 9 work better for regular desktop people.
  18. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,765   +1,427

    So this is how Microsoft is going to cut prices on their operating system, by getting a percentage off the top of selling third party apps in their own personal Windows 8 certified store. I think it is absurd wanting a Windows 8 certification and then have to pay royalties because when you do, your app will be placed in the app store which has a fee.
     
  19. Dukenukemx

    Dukenukemx Newcomer, in training Posts: 56   +13

    There are a couple of reasons why developers aren't happy about Windows 8, and why you need to understand.

    #1 Windows 8 RT on ARM is terrible. While Windows 8 on x86 has all the freedoms you'd expect from a Windows OS, you don't get that with RT. That means the only way to get software is through the Windows app store.

    #2 The Windows app store takes 30% of sales. If you don't need to use the app store then why lose 30% of your sales? With the RT version of Windows 8 you have to go through the app store, and developers like MINECRAFT are forced to part with 30% of sales.
  20. k9182000

    k9182000 Newcomer, in training Posts: 17

    This reminds me of Trusted Computing
  21. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 1,859   +343

    Wait you have to download apps from microsoft in the RT version? screw that.
  22. bmendonc

    bmendonc Newcomer, in training

    Wow, and I first played minecraft for windows on win8

    that's a fail
  23. killeriii

    killeriii TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 213   +14

    Statements like that make you sound like an *****. Please don't do that.
  24. Frank Barnett

    Frank Barnett Newcomer, in training

    Dont really know why somebody who makes a game with 1980 atari sytle graphics thinks that he so important people will listen to what he has to say.
    Uvindu likes this.
  25. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 1,859   +343

    go back to your call of duty. no one gives a crap about graphics, and if you cant see past that, you are quite unintelligent.


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