Motherboard and CPU choice
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Word. Corsair is the better brand as tests now prove it. Just look at reviews to see. But don't knock Kingston just yet, they still are good competitors and they keep up fairly close with Corsair in tests between the two.
Kingston HyperX PC3200 vs Corsair TwinX PC3200 (3200LL)
http://www.avault.com/hardware/getreview.asp?review=memoryrdup
Corsair beats Kingston @ stock speeds, but the margins are negligible.
Kingston HyperX PC3200 vs Corsair TwinX PC3200 (3200LL)
http://www.avault.com/hardware/getreview.asp?review=memoryrdup
Corsair beats Kingston @ stock speeds, but the margins are negligible.
Here's another review much broader than the previous. Pretty good. They compare 14 different RAM sticks...
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http://translate.google.com/transla...&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=/language_tools
Okay, I looked up the definitions of some RAM terms like ECC, unbuffered, Heat Spreader, OEM, Low Latency, and others, so I now know what they mean.
But do they worth an extra money? And do they really perform their function? and is OEM any less... quality?
Thanks in advance! Happy new year!
But do they worth an extra money? And do they really perform their function? and is OEM any less... quality?
Thanks in advance! Happy new year!
JimShady23
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Yes twin pack or double pack means you get 2 sticks of memory....they are matched to work togeather giving you optimal performance out of your NF7-s wich supports dual channal memory.....definatley go with 2 sticks of ddr though...
One of the other memory choices I would look at is OCZ they make an excellant product....and when you open the packaging you will feel satisfied that you payed $150 per dimm LoL they have a really hefty copper heat spreader on them with a reallly good weight and polished luster...very nice DIMM's so take a look. And also....order ALL these products yourself, and then take them into the pc shop if you are still opting to have them put it togeather....most small time pc shops basically get the stuff for the same price you can and mark it up....If the shop you have in mind wont use "your parts" tell him he lost a customer....And also this will help you get a understanding of what your parts and know what is going into your machine....with the overclocking capability the NF7-s has who is to say you wont be paying $250 for 2 sticks of pc3200 and be geting $120 worth of cheap PC 2700 overclocked to 3200....? It could happen.....
And the things you havent mentioned on your new system choice is Video, hard drives, and power supply...? Anything picked out ???
One of the other memory choices I would look at is OCZ they make an excellant product....and when you open the packaging you will feel satisfied that you payed $150 per dimm LoL they have a really hefty copper heat spreader on them with a reallly good weight and polished luster...very nice DIMM's so take a look. And also....order ALL these products yourself, and then take them into the pc shop if you are still opting to have them put it togeather....most small time pc shops basically get the stuff for the same price you can and mark it up....If the shop you have in mind wont use "your parts" tell him he lost a customer....And also this will help you get a understanding of what your parts and know what is going into your machine....with the overclocking capability the NF7-s has who is to say you wont be paying $250 for 2 sticks of pc3200 and be geting $120 worth of cheap PC 2700 overclocked to 3200....? It could happen.....
And the things you havent mentioned on your new system choice is Video, hard drives, and power supply...? Anything picked out ???
JimShady23
Posts: 360 +4
Yes twin pack or double pack means you get 2 sticks of memory....they are matched to work togeather giving you optimal performance out of your NF7-s wich supports dual channal memory.....definatley go with 2 sticks of ddr though...
One of the other memory choices I would look at is OCZ they make an excellant product....and when you open the packaging you will feel satisfied that you payed $150 per dimm LoL they have a really hefty copper heat spreader on them with a reallly good weight and polished luster...very nice DIMM's so take a look. And also....order ALL these products yourself, and then take them into the pc shop if you are still opting to have them put it togeather....most small time pc shops basically get the stuff for the same price you can and mark it up....If the shop you have in mind wont use "your parts" tell him he lost a customer....And also this will help you get a understanding of what your parts and know what is going into your machine....with the overclocking capability the NF7-s has who is to say you wont be paying $250 for 2 sticks of pc3200 and be geting $120 worth of cheap PC 2700 overclocked to 3200....? It could happen.....
And the things you havent mentioned on your new system choice is Video, hard drives, and power supply...? Anything picked out ???
One of the other memory choices I would look at is OCZ they make an excellant product....and when you open the packaging you will feel satisfied that you payed $150 per dimm LoL they have a really hefty copper heat spreader on them with a reallly good weight and polished luster...very nice DIMM's so take a look. And also....order ALL these products yourself, and then take them into the pc shop if you are still opting to have them put it togeather....most small time pc shops basically get the stuff for the same price you can and mark it up....If the shop you have in mind wont use "your parts" tell him he lost a customer....And also this will help you get a understanding of what your parts and know what is going into your machine....with the overclocking capability the NF7-s has who is to say you wont be paying $250 for 2 sticks of pc3200 and be geting $120 worth of cheap PC 2700 overclocked to 3200....? It could happen.....
And the things you havent mentioned on your new system choice is Video, hard drives, and power supply...? Anything picked out ???
Didou
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If you get any AMD CPU manufatured after week 39 of this year, it is multiplier locked. Make sure to check the Identifications string & this thread ( Identifying AMD processors ) to see which one it is.
JimShady23
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guys
He decided to go with the ABIT NF7-S it unlocks the multiplyer anyway so no need to fawk with conductive ink LoL....
He decided to go with the ABIT NF7-S it unlocks the multiplyer anyway so no need to fawk with conductive ink LoL....
wicka_wicka
Posts: 107 +2
Re: guys
NO MOTHERBOARD UNLOCKS THE MULTIPLYER. PERIOD. The A7N8X simply has the multi locked no matter what, whereas the NF7-S relies on the CPU. If the CPU's multi is locked, there is nothing the mobo can do about it.
NO MOTHERBOARD UNLOCKS THE MULTIPLYER. PERIOD. The A7N8X simply has the multi locked no matter what, whereas the NF7-S relies on the CPU. If the CPU's multi is locked, there is nothing the mobo can do about it.
hey im new here , ive been racking my brain for about a month debating between an amd or an intel system and this is what i've com up with.
Asus-865G P4P800-vm motherboard
Intel 2.8 800 fsb CPU
512 3200/400Mhz ddr RAM
120 Gb SATA western digital hard drive
128 ATI Sapphire Radeon 9200SE DDR video card
3284HL case with power supply
this system comes to $916 canadian with taxes included.
its about a hundred more then what i was planing, but im just wanting some opinions on the system.
Asus-865G P4P800-vm motherboard
Intel 2.8 800 fsb CPU
512 3200/400Mhz ddr RAM
120 Gb SATA western digital hard drive
128 ATI Sapphire Radeon 9200SE DDR video card
3284HL case with power supply
this system comes to $916 canadian with taxes included.
its about a hundred more then what i was planing, but im just wanting some opinions on the system.
Nic
Posts: 1,519 +1
Re: Re: guys
The Abit NF7-S v2.0 (also latest Asus A7N8X v2.0) unlocks the chip through the bios (Abit gives you full access to all multiplier settings, unlike the Asus).
I am running one of the new *locked* cores (barton 2500+) on my Abit NF7-s v2.0 mainboard and have it running at 2.4GHz (an normal 3200+ runs at 2.2GHz) using GlobalWin CAK4-88T copper cooler, which is pretty quiet. The Zalman coolers don't fit most nForce mainboards, but are the best coolers you can buy.
Go for the brand new Abit AN7 mainboard, which is basically an improved NF7-S, with added Guru chip to allow overclocking from windows desktop, and it also has a wider range of OC options in the bios. The best nForce2 board you can buy!
All new AMD CPUs come with the multiplier *locked*. The latest CPUs also have laminated tops, so unlocking the chips is virtually impossible.
The Abit NF7-S v2.0 (also latest Asus A7N8X v2.0) unlocks the chip through the bios (Abit gives you full access to all multiplier settings, unlike the Asus).
I am running one of the new *locked* cores (barton 2500+) on my Abit NF7-s v2.0 mainboard and have it running at 2.4GHz (an normal 3200+ runs at 2.2GHz) using GlobalWin CAK4-88T copper cooler, which is pretty quiet. The Zalman coolers don't fit most nForce mainboards, but are the best coolers you can buy.
Go for the brand new Abit AN7 mainboard, which is basically an improved NF7-S, with added Guru chip to allow overclocking from windows desktop, and it also has a wider range of OC options in the bios. The best nForce2 board you can buy!
Nic
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You've just included one of the slowest graphics cards around, so games aren't something you're interested in, I'm guessing? That card will have you pulling out your hair because you won't be able to run many of todays games, and it will struggle on many of yesterdays games also. If games take your interest, then you really need to get something of around 9600 Pro caliber if you don't want to be dissapointed. Just making you aware. Maybe if you switched to a better value AMD based system, you can spend the money you saved and get that card. Your choice.
wicka_wicka
Posts: 107 +2
Re: Re: Re: guys
For the last damn time, the NF7-S does NOT unlock the multiplier. Period. Not at ALL.
For the last damn time, the NF7-S does NOT unlock the multiplier. Period. Not at ALL.
vassil3427
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You're wrong wicka, the Nforce chipsets(on a couple Mobo's actually) unlock the multiplier for you....
in case your wondering why i havent went the amd route, its cause im having a hard time undrestanding how a cpu with a 400 fsb can have as well of a perfomance as one with 800 fsb i keep hereing that amd out performs intel but when it comes to amd i have a hard time piecing it together theres alot more to chose from can you help me out ?
JimShady23
Posts: 360 +4
Red
Basically the only thing that an Intel CPU would benifit a person if they are into video rendering and video file conversion...AMD is the permeir gaming CPU with incorperation of 3D-Now and Quantun-architecture and the lower price of an Intel CPU its the only way to go. Depends on what you will be doing with your system. I know the only time i get annoyed with my AMD cpu is when I am converting a movie from AVI to VCD through Nero. I can do it in half the time on my friends Intel but when it comes to gaming performance he gets a spanking compaired to my system.
Along with a slower FSB another thing that will blow your mind is that AMD XP like CPU's are running at a slower core clock than you think they are labled....for instance a XP 2500+ is running at 1.83 ghz but the achitecture of the cpu makes it proccess information as if it were a higher clock or a 2.5 ghz cpu. AMD CPU's in combination with a good motherboard like the Abit NF7-S are easily overclocked to insaine increments. And about the only drawback you may hear about AMD CPU's is that they tend to run hotter than Intel, but in all honosty that isnt a concern cause they also have a higher temp toleration than Intel so it works out about even. Hope I have been helpful.......
Basically the only thing that an Intel CPU would benifit a person if they are into video rendering and video file conversion...AMD is the permeir gaming CPU with incorperation of 3D-Now and Quantun-architecture and the lower price of an Intel CPU its the only way to go. Depends on what you will be doing with your system. I know the only time i get annoyed with my AMD cpu is when I am converting a movie from AVI to VCD through Nero. I can do it in half the time on my friends Intel but when it comes to gaming performance he gets a spanking compaired to my system.
Along with a slower FSB another thing that will blow your mind is that AMD XP like CPU's are running at a slower core clock than you think they are labled....for instance a XP 2500+ is running at 1.83 ghz but the achitecture of the cpu makes it proccess information as if it were a higher clock or a 2.5 ghz cpu. AMD CPU's in combination with a good motherboard like the Abit NF7-S are easily overclocked to insaine increments. And about the only drawback you may hear about AMD CPU's is that they tend to run hotter than Intel, but in all honosty that isnt a concern cause they also have a higher temp toleration than Intel so it works out about even. Hope I have been helpful.......
Nic
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If you are willing to spend the extra on an Intel, then go ahead. It will be a little faster in some apps, as JimShady23 said. But the AMD combination will save you a lot of bucks, and will overclock well, to give you very similar performance (to equivalent Intel) in some apps, and better performance in others.
It really comes down to value for money, and how much performance you're going to get for a fixed spend. Needless to say, I don't own an Intel based system, as it would cost me hundreds most for a barely noticeable performance advantage.
As to the fsb, then Intel only runs at 800 fsb in one direction only (400 fsb in the other direction). The performance difference is small. Whatever route you take, you'll be getting something that is near the top-of-line in performance terms (when you overclock) so either system (amd/intel) should keep you happy.
If you were really concerned about performance, and money didn't matter, then an AMD Athlon64 based system would be your best bet. The law of diminishing returns, figures here also, much as it does above (P4 vs Athlon XP).
Finally, Intel P4's run hotter than the latest Athlons.
It really comes down to value for money, and how much performance you're going to get for a fixed spend. Needless to say, I don't own an Intel based system, as it would cost me hundreds most for a barely noticeable performance advantage.
As to the fsb, then Intel only runs at 800 fsb in one direction only (400 fsb in the other direction). The performance difference is small. Whatever route you take, you'll be getting something that is near the top-of-line in performance terms (when you overclock) so either system (amd/intel) should keep you happy.
If you were really concerned about performance, and money didn't matter, then an AMD Athlon64 based system would be your best bet. The law of diminishing returns, figures here also, much as it does above (P4 vs Athlon XP).
Finally, Intel P4's run hotter than the latest Athlons.
agissi
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Re: Re: Re: Re: guys
haha everyone says it does and considering you dont even own the board I'll go with Nic
Red:
First off listen to JimShady.
Second, you did have OLD video card listed there. Save your self tons of bucks, get a Barton 2500+, which is half the price of a 2.66P4, will perform just as well, and get yourself a 9600PRO or XT. Pile that with a Asus A7N8X Deluxe Motherboard, or a Non-Deluxe to save yourself yet another $40.
If your willing to get even better performance, when you make the PC, take your Barton 2500, get some conductive ink, and just dab it on the end of a tooth pick. Now run that along the 5th L3 Bridge. Your CPU is now unlcoked. That simple. I can give you a link if you want, which includes a pic. Buy a SLK900 for $30, get a silent 80mm fan for $10, throw that on top of your CPU and vulla, you could up your 2500+ to 3200+ speeds, it will be totally cool, and SILENT So that could give you a 3200+ CPU for $110 (essentially, its 80+30 for cooling), with a 9600PRO
Or
Get a P4 2.66, with a 9200SE (<--crappist, it goes SE,PRO,XT).
Yeah, AMD is the way to go
haha everyone says it does and considering you dont even own the board I'll go with Nic
Red:
First off listen to JimShady.
Second, you did have OLD video card listed there. Save your self tons of bucks, get a Barton 2500+, which is half the price of a 2.66P4, will perform just as well, and get yourself a 9600PRO or XT. Pile that with a Asus A7N8X Deluxe Motherboard, or a Non-Deluxe to save yourself yet another $40.
If your willing to get even better performance, when you make the PC, take your Barton 2500, get some conductive ink, and just dab it on the end of a tooth pick. Now run that along the 5th L3 Bridge. Your CPU is now unlcoked. That simple. I can give you a link if you want, which includes a pic. Buy a SLK900 for $30, get a silent 80mm fan for $10, throw that on top of your CPU and vulla, you could up your 2500+ to 3200+ speeds, it will be totally cool, and SILENT
So that could give you a 3200+ CPU for $110 (essentially, its 80+30 for cooling), with a 9600PROOr
Get a P4 2.66, with a 9200SE (<--crappist, it goes SE,PRO,XT).
Yeah, AMD is the way to go
Nic
Posts: 1,519 +1
wicka_wicka,
Take a look at this article and all will become clear ...
Unlocking and Overclocking the Athlon XP
Note: The new chips mentioned in the quote CAN be unlocked by the bios on some nForce2 mainboards (I've done it myself on a barton 2500+).
Take a look at this article and all will become clear ...
Unlocking and Overclocking the Athlon XP
Note: The new chips mentioned in the quote CAN be unlocked by the bios on some nForce2 mainboards (I've done it myself on a barton 2500+).
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