motherboard or video card?

I definatly agree with the post above. 10 fps is a hude deal in FPS games. I have had to play Halo at an average of 18 fps on my old comp. On my new one, I can play it at 30 fps, and It is so much smoother. Whoever said that Nvidia's image quality is worse is a nut. They are just as good as ATI. I have a 6600GT, and it's quality is stunning. I love it!

...... how can my arguement fail when this is exactly what I said?.... I agree that the x1900 lineup is looking sweet and may be enough to bring ATI back on top.

I was talking about image quality in the X800 series vs. the 6600/6800 cards. Let's look at what you get in AOE3 for example. With the 6600/6800 lineup (pixel shader 3.0) you can turn up the settings so you get the water transparency etc. If we turn down the settings on the 6600/6800 cards to they are NOT using the PS3.0 then we can compare the image quality between the X800 series and the 6600/6800 cards.

This is just one of the reasons why IN THAT RANGE I recommend the nvidia cards. There are some that disagree, but I'd like to see some screenshots or figures to back up their reasoning, rather than empty "X850 rules" posts.

But ah....... that X1900X series [insert drool] :bounce:

refurbished?

what do you guys think about refurb cards from newegg?..its about a 100$ savings

10 fps is huge but does it justify a $150 hike?

In any model/brand, when it comes to referb, IMHO,
you get what you pay for, or don't pay for. I've had both good and bad.
What warranty do they offer?

I have a BFG nVidia GeForce 6800 gt OC 256mb and love it!
Though, had it not come free to me, I probably wouldn't have bought it.
At the time they were $500 or so and had just come out. I've
warrantied it twice (thank the computer Gawds for lifetime Warr.)
and have never found out why it died but long live RMA!

I lOVE you guys, DieHards to the CORE!!!
This thread is the most civilized debate yet :grinthumb

The price on a new 7800GS, for any brand, at newegg, is $299! Considering that the 7800GS is the most powerful and up to date card on the market, that is an incredible bargin! Heck, if I had a fast enough processor, I'd pick one up today! An equivelant PCIe card would be at least $350, if not $400. When the latest and greatest is so cheap, why not get it! And when we are talking prices this low, how can you get a card for $150 (you said $150 for 10 fps right) that plays games only a tad slower than the 7800? It's impossible. I know because I have a $150 card, and it certainly doesn't run games nearly as well as the 7800 does. And yes, we are die-hards to the core!

Your wish: my command

link:
http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2101&p=10

I don't recall talking about the internet, servers or anything like that in this thread.

I think he's got a P4c class CPU, which is quite competitve even with the latest P4s. Compared to an AMD system its another story.

I think it's overpriced. It's my opinion. However, this guys seem to agree with me:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?threadid=169849

you my friend are mistaken, get a clue man:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2679&p=12

Here in reality the x1900xtx trounches the gtx512. Facts my friend, and FEAR is a TWIMTBP game.

Is this ajoke? Everyone here should go read this discussion, am not going to have a pointless discussion with people who don't inform themselves before the post rubbish like this.

Read:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?threadid=169849

pcie vs. agp

ok...so i have done some research and this is what i have found...http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1644233&CatId=2023
this is a pcie card and board for the same price as just the card...but i want to know if my p4 3.2 intel proccesor would work on it..and what else i might need to buy if i did make this swtich..also if it is better then my abit ic7-g? would it be worth the switch?thanks

Absolutely!!!

Good find :grinthumb

will my processor work with this board though?

COMPRES!

I find your remarks extremely offensive, and you obviously don't know much about this card! I did do research on it! I never give advice without looking it up! Here is an article that smashes your stuff.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/13/nvidias_geforce_7800gs_becomes_a_better_buy/

I trust toms hardware, and they clearly show that it's the best AGP card.

However, that aside.

I definatly agree with switching to PCIe. The 7800GT is a great card, and should run fine. I however do not advise using refurbished hardware. I had a refurbished IBM laptop once. The thing was nothing but trouble! I had to send it back twice, for repairs. It's worth the extra money to get a new card. Trust me!

Ops spartan, yes I was too offensive, sorry. The one who was just atacking me was s3xynanigoat, not you, lol.

Either way, I think the 7800 GS is overpriced. I'm not going to argue about that again, if you want you can visit the link I provided before for some clues.

That's fine. And yeah, I checked the link. I still think $300 is a really good deal though, however since he's switching to PCIe, it doesn't matter anymore. I highly do recomend the 7800GT though.

ok..

please help me here...can someone tell me if i buy a motherboard that supports pcie will my intel p4 3.2 processor work with it..or will i have to buy a new cpu?

also...my old motherboard is a ic7-g and is a socket 478 and the chipset is i875p

I'm pretty sure there arn't any PCIe and socket 478 Mobos. Sorry. You will have to get a new processor. Or, just live with the old one for longer. Good Luck!

link:

Link doesn't work.

Was more trying to state the role of ALL hardware in FPS/Lag

So you disagree or agree that RAID 0 would make a difference in a Socket 478?

Maximum PC tells a different story in the Feb. issue.

NO, one is 775 and yours is 478.

That link DOES work.

It will help, just not enough to justify the investment IMO.

All other reviews I've seen agree with the results from Anand Tech. I am not going to find every single review for you.

Well, as I always say, it's just my opinion. However, from your own supplied link:

looks like the board messed up my post, here's the link you provided:
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1063/index02.asp