typical logic from these people

One word: WTF?!

Pretty sure the word 'apple' is what gives them an unfair advantage.

Good god people. "this soup's too hot, this ones too cold, this one is still just slightly warm, ...on second thought i don't want any soup, what else do you have?"

every browser maker is going ot b**** and moan if there is even the slightest chance that their competitors have an "advantage." well here is the solution for you morons NO BALLOT SCREEN! If you want your browser included in the windows install talk to the OEM's and strike a deal! It makes me sick that thye just expect something for free, this isn't the IE vs Netscape days. uggg, i could write a really long rant like i have so many itmes before about this but i am burned out.

your Broswers shouldn't even be there in the first place, just be glad you got anyhting and shut the hell up.

In a Land Called "Browsertopia"

The thing with "news" item is, it's actually left me speechless. Wow, hat's off to whomever.

No wait, I have an idea! Why not make "Web Browser" a desktop icon in Windows! Then use a randomizer program to govern which browser launches at that given instant. Viola, and we're a doubleclick away from Nirvana! All dissent would be squelched, or at least be rendered completely moot. Then, with the careful design of browser themes, they could all made to appear identical. IE, Firefox, Opera, who cares which one is running, turn 'em upside down and they all look alike.

This would also generate work for the IT community, in case the newly minted "browser test pilots" prove so insufferably stupid that they can't manage their bookmarks across multiple platforms. Me, I'm gonna wait for the book version, "Web Browsing for Euro-Dummies"! :rolleyes:

This is just ridiculous. I really think Microsoft has done more than enough. Windows is their product, they should be able to include whatever software they want (and why not include their own). I absolutely hate Internet Explorer (I'm a Firefox user), but it makes no sense to force Microsoft to include their competitors products in their own operating system. It's completely ridiculous.

Can't we all just get along?

Microsoft needs to start laughing at these morons and WALK AWAY. Seriously, I'm half tempted to not even use Firefox after reading this. YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANT.

Well, I tell you.

If I ever drink the koolaid and buy an apple product - that SnowKitty OS had better damn well include the option to install Internet Explorer or I am going to sue someone!

I certainly agree with Mozilla. A randomized browser sequence is the most fair amongst these companies. What they should do is randomize them with every attempt to install Windows. I think that would be the best solution.

I still think the whole Ballot Screen thing is ridiculous.
If Microsoft can't supply there browser with their OS, why is Apple allowed to supply their earphones with their Ipod's?
That's an unfair advantage of Apple vs. other Earphone makers!
Ipod's should come with a note, listing all earphones, and all possible locations where to buy them.

"That's an unfair advantage of Apple vs. other Earphone makers!
Ipod's should come with a note, listing all earphones, and all possible locations where to buy them."

There you go again with that logic thing... remember you're talking about the EU (where I live now)... it's not about what makes sense or is fair... it's about having rules... rules to protect a bureaucracy not people

This is stupid. Mozilla is acting like a little child.

They wan't to list it the browsers with the most market share but Internet Explorer doesn't count cause they cheat ??

well, mozilla is right in a way.

many people who know nothing about software, but bought an ipod or an iphone will say "apple safari" and pick it because they think it is good, not knowing that firefox and chrome would give them a better experience.

Thats been my point, this ballot screen is going to do NOTHING to "impower" or make for a smarter customer, they are still making a blind decision... Its just something other than IE.

Thats not true. It doesnt matter how much you know about software. People are going to choose who they want to choose based on previous experience and based on what they do know regardless of how little it is. If i was given a list of browsers to choose from I would scroll through that list to find Mozilla because that it what i have been using for years and that is what i have been happy with. You people all leave ridiculous comments and non of them make any sense.

If they do make the ballot screen and any particular company wants to be first on the list they should have to pay microsoft to be in that position. who ever pays the most will; hold the highest position on the list. With the OS being owned by Microsoft and IE being owned by Microsoft obviously IE would be the #1 choice on the list no matter what. Its a no brainer.

Why can't Windows have IE, Apple have Safari, Linux have Firefox, and Finally the upcoming Google OS have Chrome. Then when you want a different browser you go to the website and install it. Problem Solved.

I think anyone who wants to use a different browser is going to whether MS put it there or not, I think Mozilla and other browser makers are just being lazy, if they want people to use their browser they should advertise more to get people to use it!

I dont see apple being made to have a page asking people if they want safari or firefox on their mac or if they want iTunes or windows media player as their media player (yes i know there isnt windows media player for mac im just saying)

You dont walk in to an Apple store and the guy offers you a Nokia phone as well as an iPhone, at the end of the day they would do the same if it was them. I know MS have a big market share but the fight over what browser people use should be the same as any other, I very much doubt that Google, when they make their OS are going to ask people if they want IE or firefox, its just gonna be Chrome.