well just for an update, i did get 2500+, but i also got a p4 2.4c too. the 2500+ is going to my bro and i am keeping 2.4c for myself. i traded my pc3200 ram for some of my bro's audio junk. then i got some pc3700 for myself. i forgot to say, my bro is my twin. thanks for all the advice and help everyone.