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Nokia Q1 revenue falls 29 percent, head of sales steps down

By Leeky
Apr 19, 2012
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  1. Nokia has announced the financial results for their first quarter of 2012 this morning, revealing a dramatic 30 percent drop in net sales as well as the stepping down of...

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  2. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,272   +90

    Lee, did you mean Elop said sales were disappointing overall in the US or you meant he said disappointing overall worldwide?
  3. To bad, they could have sold a lot more if they would have given people a choice of OS, instead of making WP7 the only option. Oh, well. It is at least good for those who want a WP7 phone.

    But, it look like anyone who buys one will not be able to upgrade to the WP8 phone OS, they will just have to buy another phone when they want to upgrade. Similar to what happened to early adopters of Android phones.
  4. Scshadow

    Scshadow TS Maniac Posts: 353   +40

    I have no desire to try a windows phone. And it wouldn't be the nokia 900 if I did. When people put out utterly stupid ad campaigns, I don't buy their products.
  5. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,272   +90

    You make no sense.
  6. Leeky

    Leeky TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 4,378   +98

    Sorry for the delay Lawfer, I've been having internet issues all day. I'll edit the article in a minute to make the point clearer, so thank you for bringing it to my attention.

    Elop stated that he felt worldwide sales had so far had mixed success despite the early launches of the four main Lumia products, and the mostly positive media coverage surrounding them (issues aside). He pointed out the UK as a particularly competitive market, implying the strong competition from RIM, the army of Androids and Apple.

    He also commented the following: "We have launched four Lumia devices ahead of schedule to encouraging awards and popular acclaim. The actual sales results have been mixed. We exceeded expectations in markets including the United States, but establishing momentum in certain markets including the UK has been more challenging."

    I did read whilst researching for the article that Nokia's US-based sales were down 50 percent on either the same period last year, or the fourth quarter period of 2011. I was unable to verify these figures adequately though, hence not being included in the article.
  7. Since when did the N8 run WP7?
  8. Nokia's key competitive advantage has been about the quality of their phones - battery life, construction/build quality and reliability.

    They made 2 critical mistakes:

    1) Choosing Windows for their OS over Android. Most consumers have already owned Android or iOS phones. Meaning next time they decided to upgrade there is very large chance they'll go for Android or iOS again. No one cares about WP7.

    2) They announced their partnership with MS almost a year before any product was available. As a result, no one wanted to buy phones with an OS (Symbian) that they knew wouldn't be supported much longer.

    Had Nokia gone with Android, they would have had a phone with leading edge build quality and construction and arguably world's best (or at worst 2nd best OS). The decision was so simple, anyone with any knowledge of phones would have gone with the open Android OS and used the leverage of Nokia's hardware (awesome build quality, cameras, etc.) to be a key differentiator in the Android market.

    Now Nokia is obviously different but it's using an OS almost no one cares about. It's not looking good. The mistake of not going with Android may prove to be their downfall. Unless of course MS had a plan all along to cripple Nokia so they could buy it for cheap and then pour Billions of dollars into it. Maybe the ELOP guy is like a Trojan Horse destroying the company from within slowly, getting it ready to be a buyout target for MS for pennies on the dollar.
  9. "2) They announced their partnership with MS almost a year before any product was available. As a result, no one wanted to buy phones with an OS (Symbian) that they knew wouldn't be supported much longer."

    and from a different guest:

    3) It looks like WP7 phones will not be able to be upgraded to WP8, so why buy a phone that will not be supported much longer. If you want to buy a Windows phone, you should wait until WP8 is available.

    I believe ELOP is the trojan at Nokia, doing exactly what you are talking about. Destroying Nokia from within. To bad for Nokia, they could have had an awesome Android phone.
  10. spectrenad

    spectrenad TS Rookie Posts: 81   +16

    The problem is not the OS itself, it's the lack of knowledge ppl have about it. When win8 finally comes out, they will probably sell more phones, as it will surely be heavily marketed as a cross-platform OS.
  11. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,272   +90

    No worries, thanks a lot for the detailed response.

    I guess it makes sense, the ad campaign behind the Lumia 900 was a lot more direct than the Lumia 800's launch. There's also the fact that the 900 hasn't been released outside the US market. Even then, however, I'm afraid it wouldn't have helped Nokia that much.

    Would you think I'm crazy if I tell you choosing Android would have been a an even worse decision? In fact, I'd go as far to say Android wasn't even an option to them.

    The last thing this market needs is another Android device. Regardless of Nokia's great hardware construction, it would have been lost in the myriad of devices. There's also this thing called innovation. They saw WP7 as a way to bring freshness to the market and like literally every analyst says, WP7 needs to stay alive, and not only for the obvious "competition is good for the consumer" reason, but for the change it brings to the market.

    In perspective, WP7 has more apps than webOS and BlackBerry combined, and that took half the time it took HP to buy Palm to then kill of its platform. If you look close, people have already heralded WP7 as the official 3rd platform. Hell, with a 1.5% marketshare, WP7 gets twenty times more coverage than was BB does. You know what that tells me? That people like the underdog. That Nokia made a very risky decision; but the right one under the circumstances. It will all come down to WP8 now, as it is not just a refresh like Mango, it will be a major revamp of core functionality. With that, and Windows 8, I see a chance for Nokia and Microsoft, especially when you factor in that the Lumia 900 has already sold millions of units.
     
  12. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,048   +75

    In addition to lawfer's valuable remarks:

    Having used Sensation Z710e and Lumia 800 for a while now, I'd say WP is genuinely better in some ways (from iOS and Android), i.e. it doesn't want to be 'imitating' desktop environment on a small screen of smartphone, so it only shows you information you need and the rest is not there to mess with your experience, but when you need additional stuff it is just a swipe away. My second observation (pointed out on various other sites) is, WP is hugely better at utilizing resources when compared to android. One of the simplest example of this is, on my droid when I want to go into settings it takes several seconds before anything happen, and it is an 'dual core' SoC, compared to Lumia's single core. Personally I prefer 'quality' over 'quantity'. But that is just my opinion. In business speak, utilizing your resources 'optimally' is always a better solution, than to throw more resources to achieve the same goal.
  13. WP7 on the N-800 ? Nice photo edit but wrong choice of OS.
  14. Leeky

    Leeky TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 4,378   +98

    No problem at all, Lawfer.

    I'd agree as well. The US launch of the Lumia 900 is potentially the biggest they've ramped up the PR machine for the WP OS handset range to date. It's not due to launch in the UK for another week (April 27), though they are offering* big incentives via our wireless carriers for those willing to pre-order.

    I don't recall the Lumia 800 launch being that big an affair either to be honest, but it is a fantastic handset -- at least mine was until it went for a swim courtesy of my 2 yr old daughter. lol.

    *The handset will be free on most "mid-level* contracts over here. So anything around the £30-35 mark usually carries all the top smartphones free of cost -- the iPhone aside, which usually still costs a bomb.


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