BadThad
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Great article as always Tim! Keep 'em coming! I suspect it won't be long before the 5+ year old cards are down to the $50 range - where they SHOULD be.
https://www.techspot.com/news/95564-ceo-jensen-huang-talks-raises-instead-layoffs-after.htmlIt's all clickbait cause they know you're desperate to see actual movement.
AMD got some decent prices because nobody wants them compared to what they can get with Nvidia.
Pricing staying stagnant all those years proves that price increase should have been expected and so what if they are worth billions? Should they as a business just "hang it up" since you know they've already made "billions"?
OR are they a part of the capitalistic society we choose to partake in and only doing what any public company is supposed to do.... Make as much money as the supply and demand of our economy will allow?
Please get off your high horse don't like what they have to offer at the price they offer? Don't partake... Won't effect them in the long run and the system is already proved they easily could have asked for even more and gotten it.
Don't be surprised to see price increases moving forward until the market pushes back at the limit Nvidia is going to do what's in their best interest and the interest of their stock holders.
And one last thing about the "reasons" given about tensor cores and such you say so many were stating... Has it not been shown over amd over multiple times that the "RTX tax" actually offers objective value and the "savings" going AMD obviously doesn't seem worth it with how small a difference it provides vs what you end up missing put on.
The sales data backs that up as well as the current pricing and how Nvidia remains strong and holding much better than AMD where price reduction has been significantly higher.
There's a reason for this and numbers don't lie... No "feels" just facts.
lmao, MSRP is now a "crazy good deal", and it only hit MSRP 2 months before the launch of a new generation. I mean if you're gonna pay $600 for a 3070 ti then just pay $100 more for a 6900 XT. The 6900XT is better than the 3080 ti especially at 1080p6700XT is looking like a good deal but I did say the 3070ti is worth $600 to me. It might go lower but this is the craziest I've ever seen the GPU market.
What are AMD prices? An RX 6900 XT outperforms a 3080 and a 3080 Ti.Just checked Aussie prices and 3080 10GB still starting at $1250 and no price drops in months.
Never heard of that junkETC, Raven and Ergo wanna say "hello"
Other than what you said about mining not hurting cards, I agree.Nah, Linus showed that mining doesn't really degrade GPUs.
Sure, and I'd pounce on a Lamborghini for $100,000 but that's not going to happen anytime soon.
I did a big post a year or so ago showing how nVidia's tier pricing had remained pretty stable from the GTX 300-series up to the GTX 1000-series but then increased by 17% for the GTX 2000-series before becoming stable again.
The GTX 280 initially had an MSRP of $649 (back in 08, that was nutz) before the HD 4870 smacked it down 40% to $400. The GTX 300 to 1000-series were priced between $550 and $600 which was fine but the RTX 2080 was the first card to hit $700 after over a decade of price stability.
You'd have been shocked to see the number of people coming to nVidia's defence with a myriad of lame excuses of why the RTX card cost more (like Tensor Cores). I merely responded with "You're telling me that nVidia has been hurting from the pricing that they've been using over the last decade? You're telling me that nVidia is NOT worth several BILLION dollars that was gleaned from their large profit margins?"
People believe what they want to believe, not what is actually true.
lmao there is literally nothing you are missing out on by going with AMD. You just save money and get better performance. You're probably looking at UserBenchmark lmaooooo.It's all clickbait cause they know you're desperate to see actual movement.
AMD got some decent prices because nobody wants them compared to what they can get with Nvidia.
Pricing staying stagnant all those years proves that price increase should have been expected and so what if they are worth billions? Should they as a business just "hang it up" since you know they've already made "billions"?
OR are they a part of the capitalistic society we choose to partake in and only doing what any public company is supposed to do.... Make as much money as the supply and demand of our economy will allow?
Please get off your high horse don't like what they have to offer at the price they offer? Don't partake... Won't effect them in the long run and the system is already proved they easily could have asked for even more and gotten it.
Don't be surprised to see price increases moving forward until the market pushes back at the limit Nvidia is going to do what's in their best interest and the interest of their stock holders.
And one last thing about the "reasons" given about tensor cores and such you say so many were stating... Has it not been shown over amd over multiple times that the "RTX tax" actually offers objective value and the "savings" going AMD obviously doesn't seem worth it with how small a difference it provides vs what you end up missing put on.
The sales data backs that up as well as the current pricing and how Nvidia remains strong and holding much better than AMD where price reduction has been significantly higher.
There's a reason for this and numbers don't lie... No "feels" just facts.
Sure, I don't mind. It's nothing I said, it's what Linus said. While I don't agree with everything Linus says, I can't deny what he tests because his methodology is usually pretty good. In any case, even if mining did reduce the card's life, I really doubt that it would be reduced enough to matter. Let's face it, the lifespan of a video card is WAY longer than its useful gaming life. Hell, my old GeForce 8500 GT 1GB still works as does my GeForce 8400 GS (PCI), HD 5450, HD 4870s, my HD 5870 and my HD 7970. I even have an ancient AGP Radeon X-something (might be an X1650) card that still works AFAIK.Other than what you said about mining not hurting cards, I agree.
I call it "LoserBenchmark" because it's losers and noobs that pay attention to it.lmao there is literally nothing you are missing out on by going with AMD. You just save money and get better performance. You're probably looking at UserBenchmark lmaooooo.
Yep. This is why I think that the stupidest move AMD ever did was dropping the ATi branding from Radeon cards. People knew ATi because ATi had been around since the early 80s but most people thought of AMD as a second-rate CPU maker. To this day, there are people who don't know that AMD cards are just rebranded ATi cards.The reason why they have a bigger discount isn't about anything about lesser performance or no ray tracing. They are just less known.
I agree. People who are intellectually lazy get fleeced and it's hard to feel sorry for them because all they need to know the Radeon equivalent of a GeForce card is to look at a couple of Steve's reviews. The GPU database at TechPowerUp is also really good for that.Many people know about the tiering of Nvidia cards, but don't know how AMD cards fit into that tiering, so they just decide to only think about Nvidia because they don't really want to do research which is relatable.
People knew ATi because ATi had been around since the early 80s but most people thought of AMD as a second-rate CPU maker. To this day, there are people who don't know that AMD cards are just rebranded ATi cards.
No such luck right now. Many eBay cards are above new card prices.I wonder if the used GPUs market would yield lower prices for the current GPUs generation, but that might be a risky endeavor, with the miners dumping their used cards... can't trust no one these days...
Since clearly Nvidia and AMD plan to follow Intels shrinkflation model, you will only have this choice for a couple of years. Wait until you see all of the new card MRSP's.Revenge is now ours.
make them pay by NOT buying their hardware.
Shrinkflation always gets the intellectually lazy in the sense they don't recognize it. But even if the intellectuals recognize it they can to little about it in anything but the short term. Lays chips are better tasting (performance) but are they better on a per chip cost basis or a per package basis? And what can a intellectual consumer do when all chip vendors adopt the same policy shrink their package contents? Sure its collusion and monopolistic practice (which are theoretically illegal). But Kellog (and the other flake manufacturers) never got prosecuted in the US for corn flake shrinkflation so why should Intel worry.I call it "LoserBenchmark" because it's losers and noobs that pay attention to it.
Yep. This is why I think that the stupidest move AMD ever did was dropping the ATi branding from Radeon cards. People knew ATi because ATi had been around since the early 80s but most people thought of AMD as a second-rate CPU maker. To this day, there are people who don't know that AMD cards are just rebranded ATi cards.
I agree. People who are intellectually lazy get fleeced and it's hard to feel sorry for them because all they need to know the Radeon equivalent of a GeForce card is to look at a couple of Steve's reviews. The GPU database at TechPowerUp is also really good for that.
Please don't forget that the US prices don't include VAT.Please do a UK version of this article and compare actual available prices to MSRP ... you will see that none of these cards are below MSRP. Even on Nvidias own website, they have the MSRP card out of stock @ GBP 649, and the cheapest available is GBP 799 (3080). So thats +20% over MSRP still. Hardly suggests they are trying to shift stock.