Nvidia responds to Linus Torvalds' bashing over Linux support

By Leeky
Jun 20, 2012
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  1. Immediately following Linus Torvalds' slamming of Nvidia, the GPU maker refused to comment. Now the company has released a brief statement in a bid to clarify several points raised by the outspoken father of Linux following his very graphical outburst.

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  2. mevans336

    mevans336 TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 163   +11

    I believe I'm going to have to side with nVidia on this one. Aside from Optimus support, they provide the best driver experience on Linux and have stated numerous times they can't open source their driver because it will reveal proprietary technology about their GPU.

    I like Linus too however and the childishness of this act aside, hopefully this will motivate nVidia to fix the Optimus problem.
  3. gamoniac

    gamoniac TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 214   +45

  4. TJGeezer

    TJGeezer TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 385   +10

    It's quite a graceful response to a provocative (and entertaining) Torvalds performance. And they do acknowledge a problem with the Optimus, so maybe Linus gave their internal bureaucracy the kickstart they needed to get it off the back burner. Seems a pretty good outcome all 'round to me.
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  5. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,746   +1,420

    Why wouldn't it be graceful, when nVidia has more a stake than Linus? A good sales merchant knows better than deliberately producing bad public relations.
  6. Open and closed development please, Nvidia just avoided the issue and talked facts typical PR BS
  7. so why is this a problem? maybe you got a cork leg!!
  8. Ranger1st

    Ranger1st TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 265   +77

    LOL typical Nvidia BS, Linux is open source, hence; if your going to support open source then do it properly, or just stop and leave it to the everyone else who has decided to be mature, and not take his Gi joe's and go home..
  9. I did not buy my dream ASUS laptop last year, because the Nvidia graphics chip did not support Linux. Let's face it though--most people that play games need to have all of that graphics power and the games only run on Windoze OS. I do not really need a top of the line graphics card and I will not use Windoze so I'm happy with ATI and Intel graphics cards working on Linux.
  10. Giving the middle finger was as mature as calling Windows "Windoze". Grow up people. NVidia will support whatever business decisions they see fit, simple as that.
  11. spydercanopus

    spydercanopus TechSpot Guru Posts: 802   +87

    I still don't quite understand...
     
  12. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,781   +638

    Nvidia proprietry linux driver comparison with open source Linux Nouveau
    Meanwhile in the (presumeably) always sunny- and mature- AMD+Linux camp...
    AMD Catalyst comparison with open source Linux

    I'd note that there is a pretty large deficit in performance and features regardless of whether the driver is proprietry, or written in an atmosphere of fraternal partnership. I'd also note that the GTX 670/680 (launched three months ago) had linux support from the start...whereas the HD 7000 series (6 months old) has yet to have Linux support. Seems like an odd disparity no?
  13. Nvidia can spin as much as they like, but it does not change the past, not does it excuse their appalling track record. Still 100% with Linus on this one, and Nvidia will continue to be a company to avoid along with Sony and Apple.
  14. Nvidia Linux drivers have always been proprietary. That's not the issue. The issue is that Nvidia has refused to support Optimus at all on Linux. They made this decision a couple of years ago. Quite a disappointment to anyone using Linux who has invested in an Nvidia Optimus GPU.
  15. Linus should just "shut up". It is not like most people care what comes out of his mouth anyways.

    Linux (on the desktop) is like an unstable banana republic it has moments of greatness but then some coup (new kernel release) breaks everything and all hope is dashed for the future.

    You get what you pay for in the end and Linux has sucked for the last three decades and it will continue to suck for the foreseeable future.

    Doom 3 plays nice on it though ha ha ha
  16. ^^ You're don't know what you talking about
  17. Linus is GOD! **** Nvidia
  18. So... the worst company ever has made it's statement.

    Because of Nvidia we have black screens after an upgrade or a fresh install in 2012. Goodbye Nvidia, I don't miss you. You managed to deliver a great gpu but with your nazi attitude your products will not be an option any more to me.

    Open source Nouveau has serious troubles with Nvidia gpus and before it is even possible to choose Nvidia's own driver the screen could freeze. Thanks Nvidia, this is YOUR FAULT!!!

    P.S.
    Finger surprise!
  19. Nvidia > Ati if you want a smooth experience.

    Ati > Nvidia if you want to spend your time on troubleshooting forums.
  20. "The GPU maker also defended its decision to use only proprietary drivers for Linux."

    This would be fine with me, if they actually provided proper drivers, but since I'm also running Optimus, I get no support from them. I have got support from the IronHide project (I did also try BumbleBee, but IronHide runs a bit faster), but it doesn't run as fast as it should.

    When I was looking for a new laptop (the one I'm using right now), I was looking specifically for one with an nVidia GPU. Had I known that I would have so many issues with nVidia Optimus (and that this laptop had Optimus technology), I would have started looking at ATi. I've always preferred nVidia over ATi, but if nVidia isn't going to give proper support anymore, then I agree with Linus Torvalds on this one.

    Until nVidia straightens out their attitude, then I'm going go with ATi instead.
  21. The thing is, that nVidia is trying to sell their stuff to the Linux market, but at the same time, deny support.

    "Please buy nVidia, even though we don't want to support your OS, or community in anyway!"

    "Yes, we know Android is Linux, but just shoving our hardware into the tablets, and collecting the money is a lot easier than supporting your **** OS. Oh, buy our new video cards too!"

    If nVidia wants sales from the Linux/Android community, then they need to actually support the community.
  22. "Aside from Optimus support, they provide the best driver experience on Linux"
    Except, I don't know if they produce anything without Optimus Technology anymore. My dream laptop (the one I'm using now, the one I saved up money for 6 months to buy) has Optimus Technology, but didn't state that fact on the website. So now, I'm stuck with a laptop that can't live up to it's full potential. It can run games well with IronHide drivers, but it could run even faster with nVidia support.

    "...they can't open source their driver because it will reveal proprietary technology about their GPU."
    And? So what if someone learns how the GPU works? You realize that by the time any rival company figures out how the processor works, nVidia will have moved on to new things? It will be old tech, and irrelevant to the company trying to learn the "trade secrets."

    nVidia should worry more about producing good hardware, rather than hiding their code. That way, more people will be encouraged to buy their product.
  23. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,746   +1,420

    I'm going to assume you meant to say something different. If nVidia didn't produce good hardware, they wouldn't be in business today especially as competitive as they are with AMD. Seeing how AMD and nVidia are both very competitive, there is no way you can blame their fault on hardware. Especially when these faults can be fixed by driver updates which suggest a software fault instead.
  24. "I'm going to assume you meant to say something different. If nVidia didn't produce good hardware, they wouldn't be in business today especially as competitive as they are with AMD. Seeing how AMD and nVidia are both very competitive, there is no way you can blame their fault on hardware. Especially when these faults can be fixed by driver updates which suggest a software fault instead."
    I didn't say they produce crap hardware, I'm saying that producing good hardware should be their primary concern, not worrying about someone copying their code.
    cliffordcooley likes this.


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