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OCZ Vector SSD Review: New Flagship Drive, Brand New Indilinx Controller

By Julio Franco
Nov 27, 2012
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  1. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TS Enthusiast Posts: 597   +89

    Excellent review. This drive's performance is much better than I expected. But as you listed with your cons OCZ is not known for reliability with all the firmware shenanigans they pull.

    Will wait and see how this drive fares in the wild.
     
  2. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,505   +311

    I have to admit, the Velociraptor held its own against the Hitachi!
     
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  3. Per Hansson

    Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,932   +126 Staff Member

    I did not know that even the Octane drives were Marvell based, but how does this work with their very poor reliability? (I'm assuming the "Petrol" is the same too then?). If you look them up on Newegg they have really poor ratings, vs for example the Crucial m4.
    EDIT: Here is a more respectable source, just look at those numbers, MY GOD! http://www.behardware.com/articles/881-7/components-returns-rates-7.html

    Also this new Vector drive says "Indilinx infused" on the packaging as well so how do we know they aren't pulling the same trick again?
     
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  4. Twixtea

    Twixtea TS Rookie Posts: 87

    Not that I would buy an SSD based on their looks, but this looks badass.
     
  5. This SSD has more potential than the 840 Pro from Samsung, and it really depends on the firmware. If they can take more juice with the firmware it will be the best SSD so far.
     
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  6. Twixtea

    Twixtea TS Rookie Posts: 87

    Well, but OCZ firmware upgrades do usually include some performance gains as well, if this gets like a firmware upgrade with ~10+ % in performance it could easily beat the Samsung 840 Pro.
     
  7. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,168   +176

    Does it matter what "controller" they use? Just consider the drive on it's merits and move on. If it has firmware problems, benchmarks, price etc. Really who cares the Vertex 4 had a Marvell controller?
     
  8. howzz1854

    howzz1854 TS Maniac Posts: 585   +79

    I wish you had provided this link a few months ago when we were all arguing about reliability between OCZ SSDs vs other brands.
     
  9. howzz1854

    howzz1854 TS Maniac Posts: 585   +79

    I guess you never read the link he put up.

    here it is again: http://www.behardware.com/articles/881-7/components-returns-rates-7.html

    some of the OCZ drives have over 40% return rate, that's classified as mass defective.
     
  10. Steve

    Steve TechSpot Staff Posts: 1,384   +479 Staff Member

    Its not so much the controllers as it is the Firmware and memory used. Firmware is extremely important to SSDs as it can heavily influence performance and reliability.
     
     
  11. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,168   +176

    Yes now to wait and see how OCZ approach that this time around...
     
  12. Per Hansson

    Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,932   +126 Staff Member

    It does to me, because some controllers are known to cause problems, like many of Sandforce's controllers causing BSOD issues with certain firmwares.
    But other controllers are known to be good, like the Marvell controller, however when you put that in a OCZ Petrol or OCZ Octane SSD you get 40% return rates!?

    Yes, time will tell.
    I'm myself of course an enthusiast and I like the little guy, however I'm sorry to say this but honestly OCZ is giving SSD drives a bad reputation.
    If you look at BeHardware's older reliability surveys (The one I linked before was published on the 16:th Nov)
    You begin to see a pattern, no other drive manufacturer has single drives with returns above 5% except for one Corsair Force model (which is a Sandforce drive) OCZ Agility 4 has a return rate of 8.52% for the coming period!
    OCZ is the only brand that has had an increasing return rate for every period except the latest one.
    But the fact that the latest period got a lower total percentage of returns should not be seen as a "win" when specific models see a 40% return rate!
    And indeed when Intel switched to Sandforce their return rate increased from 0.1% > 1.73% (They did also inflate their numbers with their in house controller and the "8MB bug" of course)
     
  13. Novulux

    Novulux TS Rookie

    So why does this SSD have the track record for a con, but not the Vertex 4?
     
  14. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,168   +176

    Intel released a series of drives based on the same controller. Very solid from what I've heard.

    I also use the same controller but hearing about the potential issues, have been careful in what firmware I have applied to them. Been running 2x Vertex 3 drives for quite some time now and had 1 issue from either drive ever. Firmware update solved the problem must be almost 12 months ago. No reformatting required.

    OCZ might have released some iffy firmware but they brought to light some bad SATA 3 implementations by diving in the deep end so early. Intel were culpable there and the issues were not limited to SandForce.

    You want to stay away from dodgy chipsets, why don't you stay away from Intel motherboard platforms? No TRIM on RAID unless you are on Z77. They keep stuffing it up. Their integrated graphics have legendary incompetence. Only recently people were getting replacement boards because the SATA 2 was stuffed on one chipset?

    Oh ever wondered why LGA2011 (and possibly LGA1155?) came out with 2x SATA 3 ports when the initial roadmaps had 6 ports planned? Good ol' Intel...

    Marvell SATA 3 controllers? Rubbish. Bandwidth starved - writes are worse than a SATA 2 controller. Missing TRIM on RAID of course. Don't know if they even support TRIM fullstop?

    Then there's Microsoft. Want to run TRIM on RAID on a SCSI controller card? You can't on Win7. Win7 simply does not support passing TRIM to a SCSI controller. Maybe on Win8?

    Relatively speaking, SandForce 2 controllers look pretty good to me.

    EDIT: I will say, I'm a bit disturbed about the return rate figures. Curious to work out why the figures are so high for OCZ. They used to have a policy in the forums of pushing everyone to update firmware the moment a new one came out without a real settling period to see if there were problems.
     
  15. Twixtea

    Twixtea TS Rookie Posts: 87

    Using a vertex 3 on for a year now with the shipped firmware and never had a problem.
     
  16. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,168   +176

    Here's an interesting Intel tidbit...
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/6477/trim-raid0-ssd-arrays-work-with-intel-6series-motherboards-too
    Mod community proves that the OROM update they limited to Z77 can be adapted to 6 series.

    It proves that Intel could, at the very least, have a beta for 6 series available. OCZ on the other hand you might say are a little too open with their firmware but I certainly rather too aggressive and the ability to cherry pick rather than being starved of options.
     
  17. Your sentence implies that you hope OCZ does *not* keep up with good firmware updates. Surely for all the top SSD there are microns, nay quanta of difference in everyday use.. also why test all the large sizes when people really want to know about the real world speeds from the 64 and 128Gb with their lesser amount of memory channels. OP, Trim is an OS issue rather than a controller issue. And finally where do they go next? Sata3 is saturated, not really sure SATA4 (x2 bandwidth) will really make much difference except on seq's. Bootable PCie? Mram ..Me? I'm still on a gen1 Kinston 64gb .(100/80). no poblems so far.
     
  18. rob L

    rob L TS Rookie

    if you go to the very next page of your link you will see this "Among the most popular models, things are much better, with the exception of the Agility 4: 0.93% on the Vertex 4s, 1.22% on the Vertex 3s, 2.59% on the Agility 3s and 5.60% on the Agility 4s."

    The Agility 4 was rushed to market which is the reason for the bad feedback but has been already fixed. As per the OCZ conference call, they have discontinued all of the older models and are only selling Vector, Vertex4, and possibly the Agility 4 which may be discontinued soon since they only plan to sell high performance drives. If the Vertex 4 return rate is any indicator then you be sure the Vector will be just as good, if not better.
     


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