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[lonetac]

Are you serious? Is paying a bill late a crime? Is failing to complete a project on time a crime? Do Uniform Crime Report statistics include civil cases?

Oxford English Dictionary: "Crime: an action or omission that constitutes an offense prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law..."

Cornell Law: "Crimes are prosecuted by government attorneys. Such attorneys may represent a city, county, state, or the federal government."

The Law Dictionary: "A crime is an act committed or omitted, in violation of a public law, either forbidding or commanding it; a breach or violation of some public right or duty due to a whole community, considered as a community. In its social aggregate capacity, as distinguished from a civil injury. Wilkins v. U. S...."

All Law: "Crimes generally represent conduct that causes a public harm to society as a whole and goes beyond injuries to private parties. For instance, a breach of contract primarily affects the parties to the contract (and is a civil action), but criminal acts—like murder, impaired driving, or theft—cause injury and harm to [society.]

Criminal law differs from civil law in other respects, as well. For instance, a government lawyer (called a prosecutor) brings criminal charges against the accused, usually on behalf of the state or federal government. In contrast, a private lawyer files a civil lawsuit to resolve a dispute between private parties...."

You are arguing using a fallacy, you have already lost.

And yes, failing to pay a bill can result in fines or inprisonment. Do you know why? Think about it for a minute. Get off your Google and use your brain to think why that is. I want you to come up with the answer all on your own.

Civil crimes are crimes. You can't word salad your way out of it.

I won't be replying back to you anymore. You think you know everything so you argue with everyone. I know your type. The amount of times you have strawmanned an argument, talked down to people and the way you present yourself is not someone I choose to engage with anymore.

Enjoy yourself!

 

[Endymio]

You have a post history of doing such with other examples [such as] "How dare they use these chips to help cure cancer, fight terror, and alleviate world hunger..." even in context these remarks were wildly confrontational and off-topic [in my opinion].

Responding to this one: it's palpably a refutation of the poster's argument, which is the core of debate. The person's argument was that the AI boom was negatively impacting society by making his gaming cards more expensive, utterly ignoring the universe of positive benefits that AI is bringing -- and has already brought -- to society. Such selfishly asinine arguments deserve ridicule, would you not agree?

I think I would much prefer learn a thing or two like when you mentioned Twitter and the FBI conspiring, but I am having a difficult time finding the exact article

Fair enough; the 'exact article', however, constitutes an immense array which has been written upon the subject, most of which center around the infamous "Twitter Files". Here's an intro, which only touches upon the subject:

"...Put simply, the Twitter Files reveal an unholy alliance between Big Tech and the deep state designed to throttle free speech and maintain an official narrative through censorship and propaganda. This should not just disturb us, it should also prod us to action in defense of the First Amendment, free and fair elections, and indeed our country....."

The Twitter Files Reveal an Existential Threat

The Twitter Files reveal an unholy alliance between Big Tech and the deep state designed to throttle free speech and maintain an official narrative through censorship and propaganda. This should not just disturb us, it should also prod us to action in defense of the First Amendment, free and...

imprimis.hillsdale.edu

 

[Endymio]

Civil crimes are crimes. You can't word salad your way out of it.

I've posted numerous references demonstrating otherwise, from Ivy League law schools to the world's oldest and most authoritative dictionary.

And yes, failing to pay a bill can result in fines or inprisonment.

No, you cannot be imprisoned for failing to pay a utility or credit card bill. There are no more debtor's prisons. And the "fines" you may incur in such civil cases are not intended as punishment for a criminal offense, but damages for the monetary harm you incurred by breaking that contract.

 

[mailpup]

Ionetac and Endymio, please discontinue your personal off topic argument. If you wish to continue, please do so via PM. Thanks.

 

[ZedRM]

Disclosing personal emails without authorization is a crime in many places.

Including the United States. I wouldn't want to be OpenAI.

 

[ZedRM]

It's highly unlikely they had an actual signed NDA for this

Even if they didn't, internal corporate communications are protected by FTC and SEC regulations. OpenAI just humped themselves.

and the release is easily defensible in court.

No, it isn't.

 

[Endymio]

Even if they didn't, internal corporate communications are protected by FTC and SEC regulations. OpenAI just humped themselves.

Err the FTC has nothing whatsoever to do with this, and -- because OpenAI is a private corporation, not public -- neither does the SEC.

 

[ZedRM]

Err the FTC has nothing whatsoever to do with this, and -- because OpenAI is a private corporation, not public -- neither does the SEC.

Oh?

Enforcement

The FTC enforces federal consumer protection laws that prevent fraud, deception and unfair business practices.

www.ftc.gov

Think Because You Are a Private Company the SEC Is Not Your Problem? Think Again (and review those separation agreements)

What: Twice this month, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) announced settled actions against entities for violating SEC Rule 21F-17(a) related to language in their separation agreements, including one against a privately held company.

www.wiley.law

Don't bother responding, you're now on my ignore list.

 

[Endymio]

Oh?

Enforcement

The FTC enforces federal consumer protection laws that prevent fraud, deception and unfair business practices.

www.ftc.gov

Think Because You Are a Private Company the SEC Is Not Your Problem? Think Again (and review those separation agreements)

What: Twice this month, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) announced settled actions against entities for violating SEC Rule 21F-17(a) related to language in their separation agreements, including one against a privately held company.

www.wiley.law

A valiant effort, Zed, however neither of those links are relevant. The first notes the FTC enforces CONSUMER protection laws -- which doesn't apply to a discussion between a corporation's founders. There is no "trade" involved between Musk and OpenAI.

And your second link merely points out that the SEC can enforce whistleblower protections that prevent any employee from communicating with the SEC, be it by a public or private corporation, or even a non-corporation or private individual. Neither is relevant to the situation at hand.

 

[lonetac]

Including the United States. I wouldn't want to be OpenAI.

It is not.