OpenAI says China ran a covert campaign to turn Americans against data centers, but used facts that happen to be true

[Endymio]

PFFFFF HAHAHAHAHAHA

Sure dude, the novels I wrote which completely destroyed all of your arguments is not "disputing". You 100% have memory loss.

When you try to dispute this, let us know. Historical fact doesn't change: Germany's National Socialists were a far Left labor movement. Their political base -- the voters who elected Nazis to office, the Sturmabteilung youth brigade, the people cheering Hitler in street parades -- were not "right wing". They were far-Left zealots, who believed Hitler would fill the the Nazi's infamous "25 point plan", crush the evil rich, and bring socialist idealism to the masses.

Now stop polluting every thread with your anti-Trump diatribes.

 

[Puiu]

When you try to dispute this, let us know. Historical fact doesn't change: Germany's National Socialists were a far Left labor movement. Their political base -- the voters who elected Nazis to office, the Sturmabteilung youth brigade, the people cheering Hitler in street parades -- were not "right wing". They were far-Left zealots, who believed Hitler would fill the the Nazi's infamous "25 point plan", crush the evil rich, and bring socialist idealism to the masses.

Now stop polluting every thread with your anti-Trump diatribes.

"When you try to dispute this, let us know." - I already did 3 times. and every time you had zero counter-arguments, just deflections and lies.

"Germany's National Socialists were a far Left labor movement." -- congrats on going against every single book in the world and every scholar in the world. I don't think you understand, but you are literally trying to rewrite nazi history and I'll not accept such BS, not when I know how to read a history book.

It's an insult to every human being on the planet to call nazis a left movement. You have major issues.

And nazi history is not the only history that maga are trying to rewrite right now. The same can be said about the confederate history. It's just pathetic and sick. I barf every time I hear a maga tell me that slaves had it good and that the war wasn't about slavery.

 

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"No, the tariffs were good. Getting foreign nations to pay a share of your taxes, while simultaneously supporting local industry is a double-win" -- None of that happened. you are lying again.

Oops! Every major economist in the world disagrees with you. Tariff pass-through rates (Google that term, please) generally run in the 30-50% range, and economic studies of Trump's original tariffs confirm that foreign producers absorbed a large portion of the costs. See this paper for just one example:

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w34901/w34901.pdf

"this domestic gain [from tariffs] came at the cost of a massive $22.9 billion profit shock to foreign producers ... Because transaction-level costs rose as scale economies were lost,
foreign sellers faced a double squeeze: lower effective prices and higher per-unit costs,
consistent with the production declines documented in Chor and Li (2024).33 .... By exercising terms-of-trade power via tariffs, the US successfully induced a squeeze on foreign profits, extracting rents as predicted by relevant trade theory ... This finding challenges the view that US tariffs were largely paid by domestic consumers ..."

Taxes are paid by americans

But tariffs are split between the foreign producer *and* the domestic consumer. Learn economics.

 

[Endymio]

"Germany's National Socialists were a far Left labor movement." -- congrats on going against every single book in the world and every scholar in the world.

The rise of National Socialism in Germany was cheered by Leftists in Europe and the US. It wasn't until their atrocities came to light that "scholars" -- embarrassed by their past support -- began trying to rewrite history.

Nonetheless, you judge political parties by their ideology and goals. The Nazis were Leftists. They stood for high taxes on the wealthy, strong labor unions, a high minimum wage and expanded social safety net, strong regulation of corporations, gun control, laws against "unfair profits", nationalization of major industries, expanded access to abortion, free higher education for college students, and -- most of all -- a slavish desire to categorize people by race, not as individuals.

 

[Endymio]

You are talking about security threats like terrorism, border lockdowns and protecting important buildings in the EU, while trump is just deploying the army to attack US citizens protesting against gestapo ICE and against the will of the states. That's fascism.

LOL, so its OK to use the army on the streets for "good causes", just not for causes you disagree with.

And please: stop the lies. No army troops have "attacked" any US citizens. Even for you, this falsehood is eye-poppingly outrageous.

 

[Endymio]

nazi history is not the only history that maga are trying to rewrite right now. The same can be said about the confederate history.

You mean when Southern Democrats fought a civil war to keep their slaves, only to be stopped by the Republican party? 100 years later, a man named Joe Biden caucused with these same Southern Democrats when they tried to block racial integration in the US. Biden actually once told Congress that allowing black children into white schools would turn them into "racial jungles".

As I recall, you loved this guy ... even when you found out he'd sexually abused his own underage daughter.

 

[Puiu]

Oops! Every major economist in the world disagrees with you. Tariff pass-through rates (Google that term, please) generally run in the 30-50% range, and economic studies of Trump's original tariffs confirm that foreign producers absorbed a large portion of the costs. See this paper for just one example:

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w34901/w34901.pdf

"this domestic gain [from tariffs] came at the cost of a massive $22.9 billion profit shock to foreign producers ... Because transaction-level costs rose as scale economies were lost,
foreign sellers faced a double squeeze: lower effective prices and higher per-unit costs,
consistent with the production declines documented in Chor and Li (2024).33 .... By exercising terms-of-trade power via tariffs, the US successfully induced a squeeze on foreign profits, extracting rents as predicted by relevant trade theory ... This finding challenges the view that US tariffs were largely paid by domestic consumers ..."



But tariffs are split between the foreign producer *and* the domestic consumer. Learn economics.

"But tariffs are split between the foreign producer *and* the domestic consumer" - The vast majority is absorbed by the importer and the US citizens. This is clear even in the study you linked and 100 others.

You don't even know how to read dude...

Here is the real data you are so afraid of and lying about:

Amiti, Redding, and Weinstein (2020): In their long-term perspective analysis, the authors utilized U.S. customs data and found that tariff pass-through became indistinguishable from 100% within roughly four months of implementation (Amiti et al., 2020). For consumer goods and non-steel inputs, complete pass-through was immediate. The only notable exception was the steel sector, where foreign exporters dropped prices to absorb about half the cost (Amiti et al., 2020).

Who's Paying for the US Tariffs? A Longer-Term Perspective - American Economic Association

Who's Paying for the US Tariffs? A Longer-Term Perspective by Mary Amiti, Stephen J. Redding and David E. Weinstein. Published in volume 110, pages 541-46 of AEA Papers and Proceedings, May 2020, Abstract: Using another year of data including significant escalations in the trade war, we find...

www.aeaweb.org

Fajgelbaum, Goldberg, Kennedy, and Khandelwal (2019): This foundational paper similarly concluded that the full burden of the 2018 tariffs passed through to U.S. consumers and firms reliant on imported goods, generating roughly $51 billion in added costs (as cited in Azzimonti, 2025; Barbiero, 2025).

Tariffs: Estimating the Economic Impact of the 2025 Measures and Proposals

Calculating the average effective tariff rate can help assess the impact of the proposed tariffs.

www.richmondfed.org

Cavallo, Gopinath, Neiman, and Tang (2021): Utilizing microdata collected directly from retailers, this study confirmed that border price increases transmitted almost entirely to U.S. consumer prices (as cited in Barbiero, 2025).

The Impact of Tariffs on Inflation

www.bostonfed.org

Minton and Somale (2025 & 2026): Federal Reserve researchers tracked Personal Consumption Expenditure (PCE) categories. For the 2018–2019 tariffs, they noted full pass-through within two months (Minton, 2025). Examining the early 2025 tariffs on China, they found that the measures explained the entirety of excess inflation in core consumer goods, matching a "dollar-for-dollar pass-through" baseline that raised core goods PCE prices by 3.1% by early 2026 (Minton, 2026).

Detecting Tariff Effects on Consumer Prices in Real Time – Part II

The Federal Reserve Board of Governors in Washington DC.

www.federalreserve.gov

Hinz (2025): Analyzing over 25 million shipping transactions valued at nearly $4 trillion, this study evaluated the "Liberation Day" tariffs enacted in 2025. The data indicated that foreign exporters absorbed a mere 4% of the tariff burden, while the remaining 96% passed directly to U.S. buyers (Hinz, 2025). The study notes that a $200 billion surge in U.S. customs revenue acted essentially as a domestic consumption tax (Hinz, 2025).

julianhinz.com — America’s Own Goal: Who Pays the Tariffs?

Julian Hinz is an empirical economist studying issues in international economics, most often related to international trade and migration.

julianhinz.com

Let me repeat that for you:
"The data indicated that foreign exporters absorbed a mere 4% of the tariff burden, while the remaining 96% passed directly to U.S. buyers (Hinz, 2025)."

So before you try to educate others, educate yourself. You love to cherry pick and lie. I can give you 10 more studies that say the same, you cannot. It's like I'm talking to one of those people who think that vaccines cause autism and they have 1 study they always misquote while they literally ignore hundreds of other studies.

 

[Puiu]

LOL, so its OK to use the army on the streets for "good causes", just not for causes you disagree with.

And please: stop the lies. No army troops have "attacked" any US citizens. Even for you, this falsehood is eye-poppingly outrageous.

"No army troops have "attacked" any US citizens." - yes they have. they acted as guards for ICE in raids and in crackdowns of protests. you have videos and photos of that happening. and it's not pretty at all.

 

[Puiu]

You mean when Southern Democrats fought a civil war to keep their slaves, only to be stopped by the Republican party? 100 years later, a man named Joe Biden caucused with these same Southern Democrats when they tried to block racial integration in the US. Biden actually once told Congress that allowing black children into white schools would turn them into "racial jungles".

As I recall, you loved this guy ... even when you found out he'd sexually abused his own underage daughter.

Oh my god... you literally talked about "democrats" and "republicans" from those times as if they're the same ones from today... it's just sickening to see somebody lie like this.

Is the US school system that bad? I learned about US history in my middle school, over two decades ago, and everybody understands that the dems of those times are the republicans of today. Did you sleep in class and failed US history?

As for Biden and your attempt to misquote, here's the full speech:
"Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode at some point. We need a orderly integration of society. We are not talking about an orderly integration; we are talking about an integration via busing."

Do you know who was the real racist in the 70s? Trump which was denying people of color and other minorities housing and lost in court.

Under the court order, Donald Trump and his company were forced to:
- Be permanently prohibited from discriminating against any renter based on race.
- Hand over a weekly list of all apartment vacancies to the New York Urban League so minority applicants could be prioritized for openings.
- Place advertisements in major minority-targeted newspapers explicitly stating that their buildings were "Equal Opportunity Housing."
- Personally and thoroughly memorize the rules of the Fair Housing Act.

I would suggest you do the same and memorize the rules of the Fair Housing Act. You need to read more, you are lacking in this department a lot.

 

[Endymio]

"No army troops have "attacked" any US citizens." - yes they have. they acted as guards for ICE in raids and in crackdowns of protests. you have videos and photos of that happening. and it's not pretty at all.

You just cannot stop embarrassing yourself, can you? Your photo shows two law enforcement officers arresting an illegal alien: a felon who broke federal law. Those officers are being protected by the military because of violent crowds: crowds that have assaulted and wounded more than 8,000 law enforcement officers in the last year. This is far more violence -- and for far longer -- than the examples I gave you of European nations calling out the military in similar riots.

These are your good friends and buddies you're helping protect:

ICE arrests three-times deported felon with outstanding warrants:

ICE arrests felon convicted of attempted murder:

ICE arrests violent criminal illegal alien who murdered a toddler in Wisconsin

The felon, who snuck back into the US after a voluntary return to Mexico in 2002, served a 20-year sentence for brutally murdering an 18-month-old child:

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced the arrest of more criminal illegal aliens convicted for horrific crimes, including murder, three counts of sexual assault with a minor, and grand larceny:

ICE Arrests Murderers, Pedophiles, and Other Dangerous Criminal Illegal Aliens | Homeland Security

ICE announced the arrest of more criminal illegal aliens convicted for horrific crimes, including murder, THREE counts of sexual assault with a minor, and grand larceny.

www.dhs.gov

MS-13 Gang Member Who Confessed to 5 Murders Arrested

ICE arrests violent criminal illegal alien who murdered a toddler in Wisconsin

ICE arrested Akira Salinas-Ruiz, a criminal illegal alien from Mexico convicted of brutally murdering his then-girlfriend’s toddler son to death in 2006. Salinas-Ruiz was convicted of first-degree reckless homicide on July 11, 2007, and sentenced to 20 years in state prison.

www.ice.gov

Columbian Killer Arrested By ICE:

Colombian killer arrested by ICE after being in US

The unnamed Colombia national had been sentenced to prison to 17 years.

www.livenowfox.com

ICE nabs multiple convicted killers in single day amid nationwide immigration sweep

EXCLUSIVE: ICE nabs multiple convicted killers in single day amid nationwide immigration sweep

ICE arrested multiple killers, rapists and drug traffickers Thursday, with DHS saying nearly 70% of arrests involve aliens convicted of crimes.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Endymio]

... and everybody understands that the dems of those times are the republicans of today.

Nice try, but you slept through those classes obviously. The Democrats of 1860 started a civil war to keep their slaves; the Democrats of 1930 revived the KKK into a monstrous entity; the "Yellow Dog" Democrats (of which Joe Biden repeatedly caucused with) were the only organized opposition to the 1960s civil rights movement.

As for Biden and your attempt to misquote, here's the full speech:
"Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode at some point. We need a orderly integration of society. We are not talking about an orderly integration; we are talking about an integration via busing."

That was Joe Biden, repeatedly arguing against black children being allowed into white schools; he spent 15 YEARS trying to stop minority children into white schools, efforts that ultimately failed.

And if you think Biden changed his stripes, when Barack Obama was elected Senator, Biden had this to say about him:

""I mean, you got the first African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy...."

This was the same racist who told his supporters "you can't go into a 7-11 store unless you have an Indian accent.".

Of course, that was before we all knew Biden sexually abused his own underage daughter. For some people, such as yourself, that only increased their support of him.

 

[Endymio]

Do you know who was the real racist in the 70s? Trump which was denying people of color and other minorities housing and lost in court.

You can't stop the disinformation, eh? That suit was filed in 1973, when Fred Trump ran Trump Management Co, and Donald Trump was in his 20s. It was was the brainchild of the far-Left National Urban League, which claimed low-income black applicants were steered away from apartment units, but failed to prove that low-income white applicants weren't equally steered away.

Trump Management responded to this lawsuit with a $100M countersuit for defamation. The "court order" you mention was actually a consent decree in which both parties reached agreement before trial; the Trump Organization admitted to no wrongdoing, and paid no fines, fees, or penalties of any sort.

As Trump himself said in 1987 -- when Democrats were calling for him to run for President as one of them -- "we were high-end apartments. We didn't rent to welfare cases of any color."

I would suggest you do the same and memorize the rules of the Fair Housing Act. You need to read more, you are lacking in this department a lot.

I'm not the one obsessed with pedophilia, and filling every thread with talk of it.

 

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"But tariffs are split between the foreign producer *and* the domestic consumer" - The vast majority is absorbed by the importer and the US citizens. This is clear even in the study you linked and 100 others.

Talk about misquoting and cherry-picking. My statement was correct: tariffs are never paid 100% by consumers. Here's what the National Bureau of Economic Research found:

"The researchers estimate pass-through rates of 80 percent for the 2018–19 tariffs"

The Pass-Through of US Tariffs

www.nber.org

Pass-through rates on 2025 tariffs were higher, because those were known to be temporary, and thus foreign producers felt no need to respond -- and indeed, few of those tariffs lasted more than three months, meaning the total impact to ANYONE was minimal, consumers included.

Here's some more real-world data:

In January 2018, President Trump imposed tariffs of 20% to 50% on large residential washing machines ... Six years later, we can make an assessment: the tariffs created over 2,000 jobs and provided economic growth for the two US communities where Korean appliance makers built factories:

Further, washing machine prices, which temporarily surged in the first half of 2018, came back to earth in 2019 and have continued to rise significantly less than inflation since. Tariff opponents in the media and the academic economist community continue to repeat the falsehood that tariffs raised washing machine prices when over any timeframe other than a few months, tariffs have had no visible impact on washing machine prices...."

Economic View: “Tariff-Jumping Investment,” The Success of the 2018 Washing Machine Tariffs | Coalition For A Prosperous America

The success of the washing machine tariffs shows that “tariff-jumping investment,” i.e. inducing domestic industry growth via tariffs is a viable strategy for the U.S. in industries that have suffered decline.

prosperousamerica.org

 

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How they get away with wasting so much water is beyond me.

How are they wasting it, they heat it up a bit

 

[Endymio]

....Examining the early 2025 tariffs on China, they found that the measures explained the entirety of excess inflation in core consumer goods

Statements like this are ludicrously easy to debunk. Here's a graph of core inflation rates over time. I think even you can see the graph has a large **downward** trend after Trump's tariffs took effect. So much for US consumers "paying the full price" of tariffs.