Well the definition of pedofile/paedofile is of an adult (someone of legal age of consent) who has an interest, sexual, in people who are under that age of consent.

I don't have a problem with 14 year olds looking at each other, I think most of us will have played Doctors and Nurses at some point in our lives, but if there are pictures then the policing and control of such material is the problem. How do you make sure that only 14 year olds see the pictures of other 14 year old. Surely the easier thing to enforce is no pictures of anyone under the legal age of consent. IMO a 14 year old looking at a picture of another 14 year old would not be a paedophile but he would be in possession of paedophilia, which could get into the hands of adults.

Good point! The reason I said what I said is the following:

Imagine you're at a LAN party... You find a couple of 20+ trading childporn, you report them to the police (and offcourse stop them from deleting the evidence)... A little later you come across a 14 y.o. boy with nude pics (no sexual act) of a ~14 y.o. girl... What do you do? Do you call in the police? He is in possesion of something illegal... Or do you turn a blind eye, though telling the boy not to share/trade the files?

As you said, we've all been playing doctor once in our lves, and what if this is that guys only chance at doing that... (There are quite a few computer interested boys which has about 0% chance of hitting it off with a girl...)

So what would you do, if the guy looked/seemed to fall into that category?

Well its a hard thing to decide upon.
Myself I would be tempted to ask him to delete it under the threat of informing the authorities. I don't think reporting him would do much anyway, depending on your countries laws. In the UK a 14 year old gets a stern talking to for most offences so reporting him would only waste tax payers money and possibly put something on his criminal record that might damage his future prospects. But since it is still paedophilia it should be destroyed.
A similar argument could be put forth about pirate software. Should you look the other way because the person that has it is poor????

Exactly. We are not talking about a couple of kids playing doctor, or even a 14 year old looking at snaps of a semi-clothed other 14 year old.

We are talking about evil minded adults who are sexually dysfunctional in that they are not sexually attracted to adults, as they should be, but instead are sexually attracted to children. And for some of them, the younger the better. :evil:

These people are the lowest type of human being. Already I feel contaminated by the extents of their deprived natures. They use the internet to organise, participate and condone the sexual abuse of children. :evil: They deserve no advocation, no support, no defence and no mercy.

They do deserve, however, to be taken away and have their sex hormone producing glands removed, so that they are no longer a threat to society. We are talking about people here who do not care about the damage or the suffering they cause, just so long as their perverse and odd desires are satisfied. And they are using the internet as a tool to these objectives. That is why they must be found and stamped out.

To suggest anything else is utterly ridiculous.

Phantasm, I just wanted to get that clarified...
As peoples definition of paedophilea can vary...

Oops, that seemed to have slipped out of my posts... I suggested that male paedophiles should end up women, if you get what I mean... Just a quick cut and into prison for (preferably) life...!

Is this directed at me, or?

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a clinical definition of a Paedophile/ Pediophile is:
adult with a preference for "prepubescent" children, which why it so heinous!

That is a very good description, though it avoids the problem, what of the "children" who have reached puberty, but under the age of consent?
What do you call/do with a person interested in them?

That is part of what I tried to put my finger on in my first post in this thread...

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You know I have one question. All of you who have spent any time in newsgroups have seen this, all the topics that aren't appropriate in there, but why can't the ISP's or SOMEONE close those certain groups from the usenet ? Mabee I don't undersand but I know that one news service caries certain headers while others don't. Shouldn't they be required to shut off access to those illegal topics and posts ??

That would require the groups to be moderated, which takes time, and time costs money... You can put filters on, but they'll be bypassed quickly...
Quite a few ISP's block access to groups known to carry childporn, but aside from that it's little they can do...

So it's easier to block groups rather than individual topics/posts...

To delete a group it'll have to be deleted from all servers, which won't happen, as there are private servers out there/servers located in countries who doesn't care etc....

Hey Phantasm66,

Don't know where you live but I live in the Atlanta, GA area and just recently they busted 2 people for child porn the same way you said. They brought their PC in for repair and the store owner found the images and turned them in. When I fix anyones computer, I also do a quick search for such things, I have never found anything thank God, but I would probably report them. Thanks for your post, I didn't want to feel like the only one who would turn someone in, friend or not.

Take this forum for instance

They would need people employed to do that.
People adapt. How do you automatically ban "L0l17@ pRon" from a usegroup??? They will just change how these disgusting things are talked about...

Its not directed at anyone in particular. Its directed at EVERYONE. I didn't find anything questionable in your post at all. You merely asked for a clarification. And there are others who have put forward arguments that are infinitely worse....

There was recently a university professor who wrote a paper claiming that we should rethink the child sex laws..... He talked a lot about Roman society where children were often used by adults, by due to cultural norms this was not perceived as abuse, either by the adults or the children.

That is, of course, utter BS. And in writing this, that fellow is doing a lot of damage. That's like sending a message to thugs that muggings are acceptable. Of course they are not.

We all, as intelligent and good people, have to work hard to create a world where this sort of thing does not happen.

Re: Take this forum for instance

Well, they could get voluntary help from the Children@risk program, though they'd need a huge amount of voluntary people to cover all the groups...

BTW: if you ever come across any childporn on the net, report it at the above link!
They do something about it!

Re: Re: Take this forum for instance

Score one for the good guys!

Check it out here!