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Problem officer? First time computer build!

By teddyzaper
Sep 22, 2011
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  1. teddyzaper

    teddyzaper TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    ok. im lost. LOL.... So what are you recommending me to change? my processor or motherboard?
     
  2. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

  3. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    Oh ya, its got a AMD Radeon HD 6530D built-in. Thats listed on the specs page. So it wont be quite as good but it'll be darn close and $75 cheaper. Then you could wait until December/January when AMD/ATi releases the new 7000 series and get a much better card for the same $$$$ They are really changing they way the GPU works, major architecture overhaul in the next series, the 7xxx cards.
     
  4. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    320 streaming processors in the GPU VS the 6670's 480. So you may see 15 to 20% less performance. Given the clock rates of the GPU and memory are the same, I forget what the Fusion's GPU runs at and lord knows what the memory's running at.

    Do you know what resolution you play your games at Teddyzaper? If its not as high as 1680x1050 or higher you'll be fine.
     
  5. teddyzaper

    teddyzaper TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

  6. ihaveaname

    ihaveaname TS Enthusiast Posts: 127

    Go for the A8-3850 processor; they have the best graphics processors (or whatever it's called in those APUs).

    Also, others might take issue with this opinion, but if you're building a Fusion computer I don't think you'd need a standard ATX motherboard seeing as you're probably not going to buy a discrete graphics card and thus don't really need the PCIe slots. You could save a few dollars there and get a smaller motherboard. Just a thought :)

    (by the way, don't forget the DVD drive)
     
  7. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,627   +113

    Don't have time at the moment but before going with a fusion based system using the F1 socket I'd have a look for AMD roadmap to see what their plans are with this socket. As far as I know the new Bulldozer FX processors are meant to work on AM3+ motherboards, or did they change their minds about this? So if we stick with a Phenom build with a graphics card at the moment but get an AM3+ motherboard instead we have the possibility of future upgradability. Maybe F1 socket Fusion has even more upgradability, but I would first research that first. It could be a limited platform aimed at Home Theatre PC builders and not offer any future/higher performance upgrade options. I don't know, need to check it out before buying. For the resolution of your monitor I'm sure a Fusion based system like the very first A8 suggestion I made in your other thread would be fine. And as I and Agissi have said you could always get a dedicated graphics card later on if you felt you needed more power than the GPU in the A8 processor offered.

    I guess there is a lot of choice out there which makes it hard to decide.
    To try and put it in basics:

    #1 i5 2500K based system. Allows you to run the processor faster than its specification (K ones let you overclock). Best overall performer in the ranges you are considering, but also most expensive.

    #2 AMD Phenom based system. X4 or X6, in the majority of games at the resolution you will be playing I doubt you'd see that significant a difference between this and the i5 system. In CPU dependent games like StarCraft2 the i5 probably wins out, but when you are on a budget I'd opt for the AMD system. Plus you can get an AM3+ motherboard which would allow you to get a next generation processor (Bulldozer FX) as an upgrade in the future (Double check that AMD still are planning to release them on the AM3+ platform!!!).

    #3 AMD Llano (A8-3XXX processors) Fusion based system with F1 socket. For your resolution this is a very economical solution. My only hesitation comes from my preference of playing games with high/ultra graphics settings. I like to play them the way they were envisaged. Check out information and benchmarks on the GPU from these processors and see that you are happy with the level of performance they offer for your gaming resolution and detail levels (original chart of its WoW performance from your other thread showed 100 FPS on fair settings, need to check how it deals with the higher quality settings in WoW).
     
  8. Ritwik7

    Ritwik7 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,288   +7

    My primary reason for listing the X6 and the AMD 970 based motherboard was keeping the option of upgrading to the FX platform sometime in the future. Same was the thinking in selecting the more poweful OCZ PSU. However, I was not aware of the problems regarding mail-in rebates which Agissi pointed out.

    The OP could get himself the much cheaper X2 550 BE for now. That way he might be able to fit in the AM3+ mobo and the 6770 along with the OCZ PSU. Maybe he could unlock all 4 cores on the X2 550 using ACC? I'm not sure whether that's still an option. red1776 may be able to shed some more light on that.
     
  9. Shiney

    Shiney TS Enthusiast Posts: 223

    Check out the newegg returns policy and consumer letters, i have seen a lot of complaints regarding this company.
     
  10. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 1,720   +63

    Make sure you have a ide connector for that dvd drive, ah someone else pointed that out, also make sure your mobo has a ide slot for your old cd player if you plan on using it. If you really need a converter there like 6$ on ebay. or you could get a brand new dvd burner for like 20$ with a sata connect. From what my novice eyes can tell that listed mobo has no idea slot.

    heres a sata dvd burner\ cd, dvd reader 20$ with shipping, you could browse around and find the one with the best specs but when I looked last year there all pretty similar for the same price range

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136236
     
  11. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    I'd get a brand new one for $20 /w SATA connectivity. cdrws/dvdrws seem to break, atleast old ones and LG's have for me.

    This is a very good point. I took the assumption that the Bulldozer FX series (AMD CPUs) which are soon to be released would also be Socket FM1, like the Fusion cpus. If they are keeping it in an AM3+ socket I'd stay with an AM3+ socket mobo all day everyday. It'll just let you do more in the future. You still will have to upgrade your memory to faster spec memory if you throw a faster CPU in the motherboard, but your only spending $40 on memory, not a $100.

    My opinion from reading reviews is a Core i5 will run laps around a Phenom all day, however I know people who have them and they are fast, satisfying chips, the Phenom's.

    I know the Fusion/Llano I posted for you is a bit slower than a AMD Athlon II X4 /w the videocard you picked out.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871

    So a Phenom with your card would be a chunk better than the Fusion/Llano, because Athlon's arent as fast as Phenoms. I think they're missing some L2/L3 cache.

    Only thing is the Fusion would be cheaper, probably would get you by happily in WoW, and you could throw a videocard in there later without tossing out the $75 one your contemplating to buy now.

    So in reverse of Arris's list, we have
    Cheapest Build: AMD Fusion LLano CPU w/o a videocard because one is built into the CPU
    Medium Build: Phenom X4 / 6670 videocard
    High-End Build: Core i5 2500k with aftermarket air cooler and a videocard of your choice. This would also take atleast a 650w powersupply if you were to put a semi-powerful card in conjunction with Overclocking (OCing) the chip. OC'd I think they can drink 180watts - 220watts of power.
     
     
  12. teddyzaper

    teddyzaper TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    Sorry for not posting, ive been having soccer games and friends over. Anyways, i have put together 3 computers that i think would work.

    Expensive: https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=12553949

    Medium: https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=12553929

    Cheap: https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=12553889

    Expensive is far to much for me, but im sure it could be reduced. Medium is right at my price limit ($525 max limit) which is nice, but is it good. And cheap will save me enough money to buy a new keyboard and mouse which would be really nice, but im not sure if it will run WoW on max settings.

    How do these sound?

    And as always, thanks for all the support/help
     
  13. teddyzaper

    teddyzaper TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    I dont know if those links work, if not i will post each item separately.
     
  14. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    Ya I wish those links worked but all they did was pull up my wish lists, of which I have none. Perhaps you could highlight all of the products on your wishlists and paste them here. Sounds like you have a cooler life than me btw, good on ya.
     
  15. teddyzaper

    teddyzaper TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

  16. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    You want an AM3+ socket motherboard for bulldozer compatibility. Heres my reference:
    Out of all the AM3+ mobos,
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...0&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=100

    I would get this one. Its the latest chipset 9xx series, has the AM3+ socket, should have dual bios' so if you need to upgrade your BIOS and anything goes wrong your motherboard isnt a paper weight. Im pretty sure Gigabyte are the only brand around putting 2 BIOS' on the motherboard, they have a name for that. The price is good given the boards features.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128521

    And I'd get this 6670 videocard, I think its easily worth the extra $10 given the clock rates of the GPU are 650MHz (6570) > 800MHz (6670) and the memory is 1333 > 1600 MHz. That will yield healthy 3D performance gains, probably in the vicinity of 10%-13%.

    Im afraid the 6570 will be a little weak for all the tender your forking over.
     
  17. teddyzaper

    teddyzaper TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    oh, ok i see now. Sounds good with the motherboard, what videocard should i get? there was no link for it.
     
  18. teddyzaper

    teddyzaper TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

  19. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    I posted two links Young Jedi. If you want to be able to run a Bulldozer FX cpu later on, get this motherboard:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...im951X490024Xbe6ff3b397081e9daab3c27b3fc5e0b5

    If you dont care about that, get the cheap one you posted.

    And I was talking about this card.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102952

    Personally I've always liked Sapphire, and Powercolor made shitty Radeon 9700s back in the day so I've never liked them. The Sapphire card has memory at 1600MHz, the Powercolor for the same price says its memory is at 667x2 which comes out to 1333MHz. I'd get the Sapphire ;)
     
  20. teddyzaper

    teddyzaper TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

  21. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    Looks pretty solid to me.
     
  22. teddyzaper

    teddyzaper TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    should i wait to get some more feedback or can i order them?
     
  23. ---agissi---

    ---agissi--- TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,384   +15

    Its alll up to you ;) Me personally, I'd order what you have. Everything but a dvdrw/cdrom is there.
     
  24. teddyzaper

    teddyzaper TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 27

    is there any software i need, i have windows 7 already, but anything else?
     
  25. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 1,720   +63

    You might have to manually download a few drivers for like your speakers or something but you should be fine with windows 7. Updating windows 7 will probably give you all the drivers you need. I recommend you put free avast antivirus on your computer though.
     


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