Q6700 stress test
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LinkedKube
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yeah I probably will never buy another case, I had to make sure all my cords and wires were long enough to reach my bays and still put behind the mobo trade to hide them.
luvhuffer
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You know, you've thrown a monkey wrench into my cooling solution plans since I saw the ad for your Freezone, and the Eliminator. I found a dealer in New York that has the Eliminator for $149 including shipping. That puts it in the borderline realm of affordability for me. And I'm sure that will be enough cool for what I'm doing. So how's the quality of the products from them? Not performance wise, but the quality of the construction?
LinkedKube
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Its very solid. I have the freezone, and my younger bro has the eliminator. Both are rock solid, no loose parts in shipping except the 92mm/120mm adaptor if you need it. Everything is stable, I've adjust my brothers and my own multiple times. No issues with it what so ever. If you're not lookin for a power hog of cpu cooler as far as TEC, this will do the job.
LinkedKube
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lol i saw CMH's response coming 16 hours ago. He's read reviews. I actually have one.
luvhuffer
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I'm looking at the eliminator not the freezone, and all the reviews I've read (4 today) everyone was positive except for one guy had issues with the standoffs. And one with fan noise. But I'm running a 96CFM rear exhaust fan now so this would actually be a little quieter. Besides, I'd like to have some playing room with this CPU, see if I can get it to 3.5 or 6 stable. And the price is exacly the same as the Vigor Monsoon ll I was already looking at.
LinkedKube
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CMH doesnt believe in low power TEC I dont believe, and he's shooting the idea down based upon reviews. I've seen both in action. My brother got his e4300 to 4Ghz with his eliminator and his load temps ate 32C
Well, to my defence, you didn't compare yours to a high end aircooler.
And most reviews do give positives, mainly due to the fact that the unit would be supplied to them by the companies themselves, which means they are REQUIRED to give positive reviews.
Most of them also compare them to stock cooling: just about every aftermarket cooling will outperform stock cooling.
Vigor Monsoon? That one uses another low-power peltier, which is why the price is still around the same as the Eliminator.
Look at reviews for the thermalright Ultra-120+, and look at the load temps at overclock. Low powered TECs will perform better at low thermal loads, but they absolutely are crap on high thermal loads.
Well written reviews will show drawbacks which you have not anticipated, such a a comparison between your freezone and a good aircooler (which is tons cheaper BTW). I don't think you've actually compared those, have you?
Anyways, 4ghz is quite impressive for the E4300, and to keep it at 32C load, its very good. If what you're saying is true, it is quite weird that I cannot find this particular result being done anywhere. Maybe you'd humor me, and validate that result online, as per instructions here?
And most reviews do give positives, mainly due to the fact that the unit would be supplied to them by the companies themselves, which means they are REQUIRED to give positive reviews.
Most of them also compare them to stock cooling: just about every aftermarket cooling will outperform stock cooling.
Vigor Monsoon? That one uses another low-power peltier, which is why the price is still around the same as the Eliminator.
Look at reviews for the thermalright Ultra-120+, and look at the load temps at overclock. Low powered TECs will perform better at low thermal loads, but they absolutely are crap on high thermal loads.
Well written reviews will show drawbacks which you have not anticipated, such a a comparison between your freezone and a good aircooler (which is tons cheaper BTW). I don't think you've actually compared those, have you?
Anyways, 4ghz is quite impressive for the E4300, and to keep it at 32C load, its very good. If what you're saying is true, it is quite weird that I cannot find this particular result being done anywhere. Maybe you'd humor me, and validate that result online, as per instructions here?
luvhuffer
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Here's a pic and specs of the SI-120.
Here's a pic and specs of the Ultra-120 Extreme
The first is a 370g cooler, and the other a 790g heavyweight.
If you're going to make a real comparison, you should look for a cooler that costs the same as the eliminator. Couple that with a fan thats as noisy too.
However, you'd find that its impossible to find an aircooler that will cost the same as the eliminator.
So do the next best thing: the best aircooler you can get your hands on, and IMO, its the ultra-120 extreme. Why would you compare it to a featherweight SI-120?
Which brings us to yet another problem: finding someone who's gonna buy an Ultra-120 extreme, and put a fan that sounds like a tornado on it. Actually, I did a google, and I couldn't find anyone who compared them.
So the next best thing: find the second best aircooler, and see if there are any reviews at all on google. I found one, and it shows at severe overclocking, the eliminator only manages to tie with it at load. Note that this is NOT the first review I've seen that compares the Big Typhoon and a TEC cooler. The other one didn't fare too well neither.
Thermaltake Big Typhoon = cheaper, consumes less power, easier to obtain, quieter, requires less maintenance, easier to install.....
(note that I mentioned second best, but in reality, would sit at 4th on my list.
1. Thermalright Ultra-120 extreme
2. Soniq Tower
3. Thermalright Ultra-120
4. Thermaltake Big Typhoon
in the order of performance. Would probably sit in that order in price too.)
With all these reviews giving the exact same result, I really find it hard to believe that it will perform better, sitting in the system of a computer enthusiast. I can tell you immediately that you'd get lower idle temps, but you have to be kidding me if you'd rather have lower idle temp than lower load temp...
I might sound very pushy, but I think I would be doing you a huge disfavor if I just let you decide on a low powered TEC cooler, without actually informing you of the folly of your decision.
Here's a pic and specs of the Ultra-120 Extreme
The first is a 370g cooler, and the other a 790g heavyweight.
If you're going to make a real comparison, you should look for a cooler that costs the same as the eliminator. Couple that with a fan thats as noisy too.
However, you'd find that its impossible to find an aircooler that will cost the same as the eliminator.
So do the next best thing: the best aircooler you can get your hands on, and IMO, its the ultra-120 extreme. Why would you compare it to a featherweight SI-120?
Which brings us to yet another problem: finding someone who's gonna buy an Ultra-120 extreme, and put a fan that sounds like a tornado on it. Actually, I did a google, and I couldn't find anyone who compared them.
So the next best thing: find the second best aircooler, and see if there are any reviews at all on google. I found one, and it shows at severe overclocking, the eliminator only manages to tie with it at load. Note that this is NOT the first review I've seen that compares the Big Typhoon and a TEC cooler. The other one didn't fare too well neither.
Thermaltake Big Typhoon = cheaper, consumes less power, easier to obtain, quieter, requires less maintenance, easier to install.....
(note that I mentioned second best, but in reality, would sit at 4th on my list.
1. Thermalright Ultra-120 extreme
2. Soniq Tower
3. Thermalright Ultra-120
4. Thermaltake Big Typhoon
in the order of performance. Would probably sit in that order in price too.)
With all these reviews giving the exact same result, I really find it hard to believe that it will perform better, sitting in the system of a computer enthusiast. I can tell you immediately that you'd get lower idle temps, but you have to be kidding me if you'd rather have lower idle temp than lower load temp...
I might sound very pushy, but I think I would be doing you a huge disfavor if I just let you decide on a low powered TEC cooler, without actually informing you of the folly of your decision.
luvhuffer
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OK, well here's my take on the whole thing. The real problem with reviews, and advice, is neither are able to understand and/or have a clear picture of each individual scenario, vis a vie outside factors that neither can draw upon to make as informed a decision as the actual user. I may be old and grumpy, but I'm not what you would characterize as set in my ways. In fact, everything I know about computers, I've learned by using them and participating in forums. And I'm a good listener. So here is my deal.
I live in Los Angeles. It is an old stucco house, on a main street, there is no cooling, and I also have 8 cats. These last three things create a lot of dust, cat hair, and heat. Finely finned heat sinks need to be cleaned of fur weekly, and that's with filters on my intakes. 2 80mm front intakes, a side 80mm intake, and a 120mm rear exhaust. and both a 120 and 80mm on my PSU create a lot of noise. During the summer, in the past, I've usually had to back off on my overclocks because, no matter how much airflow I have, it's still hot air from a hot room, flowing through the heat sinks. I've been looking at TEC's a while now, but have found the technology wanting. Still, I have always felt that some sort of cooling solution operating at a temp below ambient was my best bet. I've looked at water, but found it too complicated, expensive, and messy/bulky.
So the bottom line is, for me, considering the unique environment I have, reviews done in controlled 68 degree environments are nice, but even at high overclocks where the performance of the Eliminator starts to level off with the big air coolers, cranking up the ambient room temp to 90 would I think be what will really show the difference. I can't know that for certain, but common sense tells me that, that has a high probability of a correct assessment.
I know what you're probably thinking, but I have bad circulation in my extremities, and arthritis, so I live for the summer heat. Air conditioning in my room is not an option. And replacing my 120mm fan that runs at 36.5dBA with this unit will be about the same noise level I have now. So whatcha think?
I live in Los Angeles. It is an old stucco house, on a main street, there is no cooling, and I also have 8 cats. These last three things create a lot of dust, cat hair, and heat. Finely finned heat sinks need to be cleaned of fur weekly, and that's with filters on my intakes. 2 80mm front intakes, a side 80mm intake, and a 120mm rear exhaust. and both a 120 and 80mm on my PSU create a lot of noise. During the summer, in the past, I've usually had to back off on my overclocks because, no matter how much airflow I have, it's still hot air from a hot room, flowing through the heat sinks. I've been looking at TEC's a while now, but have found the technology wanting. Still, I have always felt that some sort of cooling solution operating at a temp below ambient was my best bet. I've looked at water, but found it too complicated, expensive, and messy/bulky.
So the bottom line is, for me, considering the unique environment I have, reviews done in controlled 68 degree environments are nice, but even at high overclocks where the performance of the Eliminator starts to level off with the big air coolers, cranking up the ambient room temp to 90 would I think be what will really show the difference. I can't know that for certain, but common sense tells me that, that has a high probability of a correct assessment.
I know what you're probably thinking, but I have bad circulation in my extremities, and arthritis, so I live for the summer heat. Air conditioning in my room is not an option. And replacing my 120mm fan that runs at 36.5dBA with this unit will be about the same noise level I have now. So whatcha think?
LinkedKube
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CMH I'm sure my bro's results can be reproduced. I recentlly remember you talking about a post or it may have been a link of a person owning a freezone that had 7C with his freezone, that was when I told you that my quad was running at 18C at idle, as to say something was wrong maybe with sink setting, thermal compound etc. I also mentioned that my freezone was operating on half power. If you mentioned a man with an intel quad getting 7C with the freezone. Why do you think a e4300 cant get 30~C overclocked.
I think something that you also failed to realize is that unlike most of these reviews they dont compare multiple cpus, just heatsinks. Here's a DYK. Before I installed my quad, I had a 6300, took idle and load temps of stock and 40% overclock , then moved to my quad and did the same. Although these cpus are on two different sides of the spectrum, at ide and load, they were within 5C of each other at stock, and overclocked 8C of each other..
I think something that you also failed to realize is that unlike most of these reviews they dont compare multiple cpus, just heatsinks. Here's a DYK. Before I installed my quad, I had a 6300, took idle and load temps of stock and 40% overclock , then moved to my quad and did the same. Although these cpus are on two different sides of the spectrum, at ide and load, they were within 5C of each other at stock, and overclocked 8C of each other..
LinkedKube
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I believe this test was done on fans, either way, case and point.
that overclock by madmax22 is not stable, and its on phase change. But is still the first thats over the 4ghz barrier. You'll never be able to reproduce that anywhere else, unless you're willing to get a phase change cooler...
Basically, he's one of those extreme overclockers, who overclock not for the performance. Its not a viable overclock. If someone overclocked to 4ghz, and is using it regularly, you'd reckon that he'd want it to be stable...
Believe is NOT fact. Just google it, and you'd find the thread where he bragged about his acheivement. Anyone who verifies such a feat would definately brag about it online, with all details on how its done. Its a real feat, considering that he did it on a $100 mobo....
luvhuffer, bear in mind that the Eliminator uses watercooling to cool that TEC, and from what I can read about it, it uses a high-resistance, single 92mm radiator. These have fins that are pretty close together as well. I know you'd definately need a high cfm 120mm fan to go with that, one thats at least as powerful as the 92mm provided.
supersmashbrada, nobody has done it, and to have done it, and not bragged about it online, seems wrong. Its no feat to get it to 4ghz, much less 30C at idle, so having no references of it online is very... unusual. You should at least post the proof, and a whole how-to on it, so others can follow.
p.s. feels a little funny that you'd spend more money on the cooling, than on the CPU itself, and NOT be after some bragging rights.
Basically, he's one of those extreme overclockers, who overclock not for the performance. Its not a viable overclock. If someone overclocked to 4ghz, and is using it regularly, you'd reckon that he'd want it to be stable...
Believe is NOT fact. Just google it, and you'd find the thread where he bragged about his acheivement. Anyone who verifies such a feat would definately brag about it online, with all details on how its done. Its a real feat, considering that he did it on a $100 mobo....
luvhuffer, bear in mind that the Eliminator uses watercooling to cool that TEC, and from what I can read about it, it uses a high-resistance, single 92mm radiator. These have fins that are pretty close together as well. I know you'd definately need a high cfm 120mm fan to go with that, one thats at least as powerful as the 92mm provided.
supersmashbrada, nobody has done it, and to have done it, and not bragged about it online, seems wrong. Its no feat to get it to 4ghz, much less 30C at idle, so having no references of it online is very... unusual. You should at least post the proof, and a whole how-to on it, so others can follow.
p.s. feels a little funny that you'd spend more money on the cooling, than on the CPU itself, and NOT be after some bragging rights.
LinkedKube
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the bragging rights arent my own, and I've built only 2 systems, didnt seem to need the right to brag. I dont think you can add a 120mm fan to the coolit systems either. They do give you a 120mm converting brackiet for people who only have 120mm slots in the back. I use graphite powder to quiet mines down.
Anyway, my last message just shows how much research you're willing to do, and how much you're willing to assume. 4ghz E4300 on air? You'd gotta be kidding me.
I think I've said enough on this subject, with a lot of links to back up my opinions, so I believe luvhuffer has enough information to make an informed decision on his/her own.
Just remember, anyone can say they've done something, but without any proof....
On a different note:
I've actually managed to bring my E6400 to 6ghz on air on stock cooling. All you had to do was open up the side panel to bring in a little more airflow. My Dominator RAM helped bring the FSB to incredible levels on a gigabyte P965-S3. Who says you need aftermarket cooling anyway?
I think I've said enough on this subject, with a lot of links to back up my opinions, so I believe luvhuffer has enough information to make an informed decision on his/her own.
Just remember, anyone can say they've done something, but without any proof....
On a different note:
I've actually managed to bring my E6400 to 6ghz on air on stock cooling. All you had to do was open up the side panel to bring in a little more airflow. My Dominator RAM helped bring the FSB to incredible levels on a gigabyte P965-S3. Who says you need aftermarket cooling anyway?
kitty500cat
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I just came across something that may make it possible to stress test all four cores at once. The testing software needs to be able to have multiple instances of itself running at the same time, each using a separate process. Anyway, you might try this:
The Set Affinity option doesn't show up for me in Task Manager, but I guess that's just because I have a single core processor.
Regards
[url=http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/weekly-techtips-46.html]SunbeltBLOG[/url] said:
The Set Affinity option doesn't show up for me in Task Manager, but I guess that's just because I have a single core processor.
Regards
LinkedKube
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CMH said:
Increasingly odd, that you state you got your 4300 to 6Ghz but you say that 4Ghz didnt happen on my bros rig. Proof is in the pudding, this we know. If we always had to show proof about our hardware and settings, we should not be able to post specs in our sigs until cpuz or some comparable program verifies. That's probably one of the most farfetched statements yet. I dont care what your machine can do, neither does half of techspot. I gave my input to someone that asked, which was luvhuffer. So "NO" I wont travel 300 miles from Detroit to Toronto to run test and cpuz benching on my brother's computer just to satisfy your "proof is in the pudding" idea CMH. As I have posted 2 months ago that my bro got his 4300 to 4Ghz with the eliminator, no one asked for a cpuz verfication then, when I was right next to the damn thing. So basically what you're saying is everyone's pc specs and sigs mean nothing until we can verify them via Cpuz to make CMH content?
LinkedKube
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luvhuffer said:
As clearly stated here, luvhuffer asked me about the product, the only person here that owns it. Passed that in your next post, you state how you previously mentioned the reason the coolit line of products aren't recommended by who "CMH." Obviously she read the thread because she was steadily active in posting. So there was no need for you to restate what had been posted previously. She knows all this. Well I think you're beating a dead horse, and further than that, its not even your horse.
supersmashbrada said:
My "different note" was just to show how anyone can say anything, back it up with some simple logic, and may be treated as gospel. I purposely exaggerated it to 6ghz.
Most people's performance isn't really spectacular, and their system rigs are more to either show-off, or to help with any problems they are encountering.
In your case, CPUz verification is important, as you are using your rig to recommend an item, not just merely showing off, or getting help. I'm sure luvhuffer wouldn't want to base his/her decision on someone who decided to make up a few numbers to make their rig look superior....
MetalX
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Guys, no need to have an argument. You're going to make me never do research and post links again, as I feel this is my fault for posting that link. Personally, I think that every CPU is different and some may be able to do 4GHz on air cooling, especially in a well ventilated case like mine. However, I may very well be wrong and that may not be the case at all. I just wanted to say that I hope you guys stop arguing about it.
LinkedKube
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lol its all good, I just insist that we make informative reponses, and post based on our experiences and not hold our limitations to what we read. Goodluck with your cpu though. July 22 intel drops new cpu's so you might want to wait until after that to buy your stuff.
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