Qualcomm and Microsoft announce plans for 'always-connected,' Snapdragon 835-powered PCs

midian182

Posts: 9,714   +121
Staff member

Back in December, Microsoft announced it had partnered with Qualcomm to bring Windows 10 to the Snapdragon 835 SoC using emulation technology. At Computex today, the companies revealed the first OEMs that will use the platform, along with the features it brings, prices, and release dates.

Asus, HP, and Lenovo will be manufacturing products such as laptops and 2-in-1s that use a slightly tweaked version of the chip found in flagship smartphones like the Galaxy S8. This SoC, which Qualcomm calls the Snapdragon 835 Mobile PC Platform, has a slightly different SKU and is optimized for Windows 10.

“Each company is set to produce sleek, thin and fanless PCs running a Windows 10 experience,” reads Qualcomm’s press release.

Thanks to the chip’s X16 LTE modem, which supports gigabit LTE, Qualcomm promises the platform will offer always-on functionality, which means updates can run in the background while the devices are in sleep mode.

An extended battery life is another big advantage of the 10nm Snapdragon 835. With the chip and its circuit board being 30 percent smaller than those found in standard laptops, manufacturers can use the extra space to add larger batteries. Moreover, having the Kryo 280 CPU and Adreno 540 GPU integrated into the SoC makes the device more power efficient than today’s machines, which use individual components for graphics and processing functions. All this means a “beyond all-day” battery life that’s 50 percent longer compared to ‘a competing solution,’ and four to five times better connected standby.

Windows running on ARM hardware often brings up memories of the disastrous Windows RT. But Qualcomm says it has worked with Microsoft to ensure virtually every Windows 10 program and app works with the Snapdragon 835. Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps will run natively on Qualcomm’s chip, while legacy win32 programs are run through an emulation process using the SoC’s kernel. Qualcomm says performance is competitive with Intel's Y chips.

Devices featuring the Snapdragon 835 Mobile PC Platform will arrive later this year and cost between $400 - $700. Some might come with smartphone-style contract plans, and thanks to the eSIM – activated at the time of purchase - buyers may be able to add a device to their existing plan.

“By the end of the year you will see the launch of a new and improved class of always-connected PCs with gigabit LTE support thanks to being powered by the Snapdragon 835 Mobile PC platform,” Qualcomm’s vice president of global product marketing, Don McGuire, told Techradar. “It’s time for the PC to change.”

Permalink to story.

 
Well it's between this or that new fangled X299 with a 2 grand 20 core CPU, whichever has the lower power consumption (and smallest footprint) for me. It sure looks like the new Intel system has a commanding lead right now.
 
Is this the same snapdragon chip that's used in phones or another one specifically designed for bigger devices? if it's the same chip, can a sd 820 phone run windows 10?
 
Is this the same snapdragon chip that's used in phones or another one specifically designed for bigger devices? if it's the same chip, can a sd 820 phone run windows 10?
No, an 820 phone can't run Windows (well) because it can only emulate x86 very slowly, completely in software. The 835 has some hardware on it dedicated to running x86 programs, so it can do those tasks much more quickly. Phones that use the 835 (Like Samsung's S8) should theoretically be able to run Windows just like these laptops will be able to.
 
With the chip and its circuit board being 30 percent smaller than those found in standard laptops, manufacturers can use the extra space to add larger batteries.
Like that will happen. More likely use the extra space to make the device smaller. All that extra space we have gained the last 20 years would have given us a massive battery.
 
No, an 820 phone can't run Windows (well) because it can only emulate x86 very slowly, completely in software. The 835 has some hardware on it dedicated to running x86 programs, so it can do those tasks much more quickly. Phones that use the 835 (Like Samsung's S8) should theoretically be able to run Windows just like these laptops will be able to.
But the one that's displayed in video is a 820 running w10 smoothly
 
"legacy win32 programs are run through an emulation process using the SoC’s kernel." What about Windows x64 64-bit apps???
 
No, an 820 phone can't run Windows (well) because it can only emulate x86 very slowly, completely in software. The 835 has some hardware on it dedicated to running x86 programs, so it can do those tasks much more quickly. Phones that use the 835 (Like Samsung's S8) should theoretically be able to run Windows just like these laptops will be able to.
But the one that's displayed in video is a 820 running w10 smoothly

Huh. You are right - they do use a 820 in the video (at 0:40).
 
Like that will happen. More likely use the extra space to make the device smaller. All that extra space we have gained the last 20 years would have given us a massive battery.
I mean they can make it slim but I don't think they will make it any smaller than 7", it simply doesn't make sense, so less electronics more battery even if it's trimmed to be slim.
It seems a bit premature to be calling the industry-standard architecture for nearly all desktop programs "legacy."
As per usual, if people don't start deprecating things, we will keep on going with old standards, maybe it's a switch that needs to happen if it's beneficial to us.
 
Sorry, but tablet isn't a PC.
Also is this Windows 10 S? Or not? Isn't Windows 10 S locked to MS Store?
They also mention emulation for win32 apps, but what about x64 programs? Can it run those also?
 
Last edited:
As per usual, if people don't start deprecating things, we will keep on going with old standards, maybe it's a switch that needs to happen if it's beneficial to us.
It doesn't, and it's not. If it was beneficial to us, it wouldn't have to be forced. We're not still using single-core CPUs with no memory cache across an 8 MHz ISA bus, using DB9 or DB25 serial ports, et cetera. Those things changed not because anyone forced them, but because there were real benefits to each of them.
 
Back