Radeon RX 5700 XT vs. GeForce RTX 2060 Super: 2020 Update

[Evernessince]

Yeah sure just lick it up "professional" reviews while disregarding actual user reviews ain't cha. Rottentomatoes must be your favorite movie review site isn't it (oh wait they messed with the user review score also).
In case you didn't know, AdoredTV made his famous clip citing lot of user complains on reddit too, the complains are still going on, AMD driver stability is still pretty much a work in progress.
Well I for once questioning the validity of benching useless game (low players count) like Strange Brigade, Deus Ex, For Honor, etc... in spite of popular games that run like turd on AMD hardware like GTA V, Ark: Survival Evolved, Rust, Arma 3, etc...Steve probably doesn't want to disappoint AMD fans too much.
And yeah do you even have a 5700XT ? Last I check you had to use a 2 month old driver with your RX580, which you probably don't use to play games. SO yeah using GPU daily =/ playing games with it.

As a frequent GTA Online player, that game runs like a turd regardless. I run into bugs on the daily, loading times are extremely long for no reason (even on M.2 SSD). Extreme stuttering on my 1080 Ti unless I cap the frame rate (a well known GTA V issue).

You've literally made a list of some of the most poorly optimized games on PC, regardless of GPU vendor.

You question Steve's integrity and you have only mere hearsay to back your the basis of your own opinion. That alone speaks volumes.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Ark: Survival Evolved also runs like a turd on Nvidia hardware. Going from a 1060 to a 1080, downrezzing from a 3440w to a 2560w monitor and a lot of time testing every setting in the game finally got me to about 60 fps with tolerable visuals. In a game unchanged in performance from a 2015 early release. Aside from that, I'm so glad I put that game down a month or so ago, not for the performance reasons but for the gameplay reasons.

 

[krizby]

As a frequent GTA Online player, that game runs like a turd regardless. I run into bugs on the daily, loading times are extremely long for no reason (even on M.2 SSD). Extreme stuttering on my 1080 Ti unless I cap the frame rate (a well known GTA V issue).

You've literally made a list of some of the most poorly optimized games on PC, regardless of GPU vendor.

You question Steve's integrity and you have only mere hearsay to back your the basis of your own opinion. That alone speaks volumes.

The games I listed are the games with the most concurrent players on steam at the moment. Surely that means the games are fun and lots of people are enjoying them, as opposed to optimized but dead games.

Back when PUBG was in early access, I got 40fps with my 1080Ti, did that prevent me from enjoying the game ? absolutely not. Apparently if a DX11 game run like a turd on Nvidia, it would run even worse on AMD.

So yeah, reviewers vs actual gamers. Btw I gotta ask, do you judge a movie by its critic score or audience score ?

Ark: Survival Evolved also runs like a turd on Nvidia hardware. Going from a 1060 to a 1080, downrezzing from a 3440w to a 2560w monitor and a lot of time testing every setting in the game finally got me to about 60 fps with tolerable visuals. In a game unchanged in performance from a 2015 early release. Aside from that, I'm so glad I put that game down a month or so ago, not for the performance reasons but for the gameplay reasons.

Seems like you still get better fps than an 5700XT with your 1080 lol

 

[Evernessince]

The games I listed are the games with the most concurrent players on steam at the moment. Surely that means the games are fun and lots of people are enjoying them, as opposed to optimized but dead games.

Back when PUBG was in early access, I got 40fps with my 1080Ti, did that prevent me from enjoying the game ? absolutely not. Apparently if a DX11 game run like a turd on Nvidia, it would run even worse on AMD.



Seems like you still get better fps than an 5700XT with your 1080 lol

Um no

Steam Charts - Tracking What's Played

An ongoing analysis of Steam's player numbers, seeing what's been played the most.

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Steam Charts

Top selling and top played games across Steam

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You cherry picked the titles you wanted to off the top list. ARMA 3 is number 24. GTA V is number 3. You seemngly picked whatever games you wanted without regards to the actual list. Peak player count and player history reinforce that.

FYI a LOT of big games are not on steam like Valorant, Overwatch, ect.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Seems like you still get better fps than an 5700XT with your 1080 lol

Nope, you'll notice I tested every setting in the game so I did not use any of the presets you see in that video. You need to manage ground cover density, draw distances, and shading settings to squeeze out more fps in the game. You can get double the frames by compromising and those tradeoffs differ depending on which map you play and your personal tolerances.

 

[RyzenZen2]

I would like to see more information about how the RX5700 supports PCI 4.0. But for that you will need to use an amd processor and a motherboard with x570 chipset. As the Intel cpu and nvidia gpu only supports pci 3.0. It would be interesting to se if the supported speed of pci 4.0 have an impact on performance gaming. Especially for 4k gaming. Also I would like to se how amd ryzen 3950X compares to the Intel 9900 your using here and how the different CPU affects the performance of the GPUs both nvidia RTX and amd RX. Or you could point me to where this has been covered.....

 

[krizby]

Um no

Steam Charts - Tracking What's Played

An ongoing analysis of Steam's player numbers, seeing what's been played the most.

steamcharts.com

Steam Charts

Top selling and top played games across Steam

store.steampowered.com

You cherry picked the titles you wanted to off the top list. ARMA 3 is number 24. GTA V is number 3. You seemngly picked whatever games you wanted without regards to the actual list. Peak player count and player history reinforce that.

FYI a LOT of big games are not on steam like Valorant, Overwatch, ect.

I merely picked the most demanding games among the most popular ones, the rest like DOTA 2, CSGO, TF2, Terraria, Rocket League, Football Manager 2020, Garry's Mod, Stardew Valley, Path of Exile, Untured, Black Desert Online, Dead by Daylight, etc...can run on potato PC. I'm pretty sure the GTX 1650 would have win against the RX570 in those less demanding games, AMD are just terrible choice for Steam gamers, and it show in the steam hardware survey.

Sure there are popular online games outside of steam platform, but beside BF V with its expunged Frostbite engine, the rest of popular games perform better on Turing.

Nope, you'll notice I tested every setting in the game so I did not use any of the presets you see in that video. You need to manage ground cover density, draw distances, and shading settings to squeeze out more fps in the game. You can get double the frames by compromising and those tradeoffs differ depending on which map you play and your personal tolerances.

1440p at the same settings 5700XT is getting low 40fps while 2060 Super is getting low 50fps. Sure the game run like a turd but at least one brand is 20% less turd than the other lol

 

[Evernessince]

I merely picked the most demanding games among the most popular ones,

Oh really, because your original post was about people actually playing games.

You said:

"How many games do reviewers actually benchmark vs all the games that people actually play ? probably less than 1% of them. "

I guess it's really not about games that everyone is playing, it's about whatever narrative you want to spin today. You were chiding Steve for bench marking based on criteria used throughout the professional tech review community yet you yourself can't even set your own criteria for game selection correctly without having to change it within the hour.

And once again, no you didn't even pick the most demanding among the popular games. You skipped over some very good looking titles like R6:S, Destiny 2, Monster Hunter world, ect for games much lower on the list that run like absolute crap on most systems. Poorly optimized does not equal demanding. GTA V is not demanding, not by a long shot. It uses less than 10% of my CPU (8 core) and it can't even use my GPU to 100% because it introduces stuttering, a well know game engine bug. Most of the games you picked are specifically avoided for bench marking precisely because they are poorly optimized. Bottlenecking the hardware with poor software isn't a plus for anyone.

Sure the game run like a turd but at least one brand is 20% less turd than the other lol

The frame-rate you are getting in that game is unacceptable regardless of brand. The game doesn't even look that good. Instead of making fun of your fellow gamers for 2 extra FPS (literally!), perhaps you could verbally petition the devs to actually make a game that performs decently.

 

[mailpup]

@krizby and @Evernessince, please discontinue your personal argument. If you wish to continue, please do so via PM. Thanks.