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Random BSOD even after reformat

By dae_amp_ika_dtp
Apr 29, 2009
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  1. Im working on my friends computer and it keeps crashing.

    Specs:
    MSI MS-7104 Ver 3.0
    Intel Celeron 2.2 Ghz
    1024MB Kingston PC2700 (New)
    nVidia GeForce 6200 256Mb AGP 8x
    260GB Hitachi Hard Drive
    Sony DVD/CD Burner
    450 watt Thermaltake PSU

    At first the on-board VGA stopped working. I replaced it with a AGP card and it worked fine for a month, before it started having problems.
    The original 1 of the 2 original ram sticks, in bank 1 stopped working. Kept getting random BSOD's, so I tossed the old ram and left in the new Kingston stick.

    Installed the new stick and it still BSOD's randomly. They were very random but I got one written down.

    0x0000008E (0xC0000005, 0x00000000, 0xB9255538,0x00000000)
    IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

    I thought Ram? So I ran the stick on both DIMM slots with memtest86 multiple times, and it found NO errors.

    CPU temp? 40oC at idle...cleaned heatsink, applied AS5......still BSOD

    Next, I broke the system down to the basics... PSU, CPU, RAM, Video card, HD, CD drive. STILL BSOD.

    Next I swapped out the PSU... still BSOD
    Test hard drive with HDAT, Hitachi drive fitness....passed
    Reformat HD and reinstall Xp Pro, not loading any Mobo drivers... still BSOD
    Installed Mobo drivers, minus nVidia drivers... still BSOD
    Removed front panel USB connectors
    Swapped HD, full format, reinstall OS.... still BSOD
    Swapped Video card..... still BSOD
    BIOS is up to date, only add-in card is the Video card.

    I am at a loss, spending wayy too much time on this thing. Any help would be appreciated.
    I know mini-dump files would be some help, but I just re-formatted the HD again and havent reloaded the OS yet and im beat for now.

    The only things I havent crossed out are the CPU and Mobo. Are there any DOS based programs that I can use to test it?
    The only boot disk I have ATM is Hirens. Im guessing the Mobo may have crapped out, especially since the on-board Video broke. The on-board LAN works intermittently.
    The system was built by another dude two years ago. I dont see any damge on the Mobo.

    Please help! Thanks in advance!!
  2. Dan005

    Dan005 TS Rookie

    Sounds like the Chipset is knackered to be honest, it seems to be having problems across the entire spectrum, so I'd say it's the motherboard.
  3. dae_amp_ika_dtp

    dae_amp_ika_dtp TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 99

    Thanks for the reply.

    My first mini dump files were pointing to AVG 8.5. So I reformated and swapped out the IDE cables.
    System was stable until I installed the latest chipset drivers from MSI.
    Once chipset drivers installed It would also fail to install PCI to PCI bridge in "add new hardware".
    I restarted the PC and instant BSOD. So I reformatted and got the chipset drivers directly from VIA. Still BSOD.
    Minidumps 3 out of 4 pointed to ntoskrnl.exe as the problem. Fourth one pointed to wdmaud.sys as the problem.

    So yeah.. Im still at a loss. I think the mobo is screwed. I just have no way to test the CPU and Mobo at the moment.

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    I have just done a visual inspection of the motherboard. Everything looks fine, no popped caps.
    The only thing that looks out of the ordinary is that the motherboard is flexing upwards on the top (cpu side) but its perfectly flat on the bottom (pci slot side).

    Im wondering if this would cause problems? I know that on Xbox 360 mobos it will cause all kinds of problems.

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    Well I dont think the flex is the problem. I just removed the Northbridge heatsink and to my suprise 1/2 of the crappy thermal paste that was there is gone!!
    It melted right off, replacing it with AS5 ATM. I hope it works or im done with this thing.

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    :( So it still BSOD even after adding AS5 to the north bridge and a reformat.

    I got a theory... The north bridge must have overheated from not having thermal grease on it.
    It caused the on-board to stop working properly. It also damged the northbridge permanently, causing it to work properly intermittently.

    Is that a possibility?
  4. Dan005

    Dan005 TS Rookie

    To be honest, I'm guessing by the processor it's a slot 478 motherboard (Pentium 4), they are cheap as chips now, safe yourself the sweat, pain and just get a cheap one off ebay or something, my Mobo has a serious problem with it's IDE slots and I thought I fixed it with a BIOS Flash, now it's back to normal again, the thing is, when a Mobo is ****ed, believe me, it's ****ed, just get another one and save the pain and anger.

    Pardon the strange and freightening font change, this eee pc does some strange things, but I’ve noticed your mobo has a VIA chipset, oh dear, avoid anything that has SIS, VIA on it, they are a haven for crashes, bugs and instablitiy.
  5. dae_amp_ika_dtp

    dae_amp_ika_dtp TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 99

    I really think the chipset is fried. After on-board ethernet, then on-board video dying it seems suspect.
    The north bridge also not having proper thermal on it is also leaves me to believe the mobo is messed up.

    Its cool, cause I already ordered a new Gigabyte mobo and used P4 2.66Ghz on eBay for $65 shipped, last week. Should be coming in the mail soon.
  6. Dan005

    Dan005 TS Rookie

    Nice deal, I was going to suggest in last post to retire the Celeron and get a Pentium 4, what chipset is that gigabyte mobo using?
  7. robin_bga

    robin_bga TS Rookie Posts: 258

    Hi, your south brigde is ****ed up, just throw away the motherboard and buy a new one.
  8. dae_amp_ika_dtp

    dae_amp_ika_dtp TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 99

    Its got an Intel chipset. It was a great deal. The price for P4's on eBay is ridiculously low.

    Thank you for all of your input.


    Thanks....but did you even read??
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